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    Posted: 13 September 2013 at 09:01
I live in Boulder Colorado.  A place where life has recently become very interesting.  

While not a doomsday prepper by any means, I do have enough emergency equipment, food and water to last several weeks should the need arise.  

I would suggest everyone do the same because you never know. 
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very true, GM - in our area, the big dangers are blizzards and power outages; sometimes both at the same time. like you, i am not a prepper, but i was a boy scout, and there are always plenty of ways to be prepared.
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Having been surprised by a few hurricanes over the years. I always have canned stock, propane, generator and generator fuel on hand. Oh I forgot candles and lamp oil and batteries. I can go two weeks without power if I have to.
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For those of us living in the boonies, all this is just common, everyday stuff. We have to be prepared to go it alone at any time.

Reminds me of the whole Y2K nonsense. I was asked, "what will happen to you if it comes to pass."

Well, the worst case scenario would be my inability to cash a check for a week or two. Hardly the end of life as we know it.

While I love my freezers, I also keep shelves of canned goods just in case. Most of our disasters, though, come in the winter, when keeping foods frozen is not an issue.

What scares me are the in-town and city folks who not only are unprepared, they don't know what to do when they have to. During our last major problem (an ice storm that left us without power for two weeks) the local radio station went all call-in so people could vent. That's important. Just being able to share the misery does help. But two callers, in particular, stand out.

One was the lady who wanted to know if it was alright to put her milk out on the back porch, because the fridge wasn't working. Hmmmmm? Lady, it's 12 degrees out there. Trust me, the milk will keep just fine.

The real killer was the one who called four days into the problem. She related how their power was out all that time. But, fortunately, they had a fireplace. "So," she told the DJ, "we're able to keep the house warm. But we haven't had a hot meal in four days."

Trust me, I wouldn't make that up.

Then she added, "But now the wood is getting low, and we don't know what we'll do about that."

Look out your window, lady. The reason you can't get to town is because there are dead branches and tree limbs littering the roadway.

I figured that one out, though. Apparently, if it doesn't come in those shrink-wrapped bundles it doesn't burn.

Lawd, I wanted to nominate her for a Darwin award.
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Originally posted by HistoricFoodie HistoricFoodie wrote:



Then she added, "But now the wood is getting low, and we don't know what we'll do about that."

Look out your window, lady. The reason you can't get to town is because there are dead branches and tree limbs littering the roadway.

I figured that one out, though. Apparently, if it doesn't come in those shrink-wrapped bundles it doesn't burn.

Lawd, I wanted to nominate her for a Darwin award.

This is why I have 2 stick burners in the back yard (welllll, not the only reason buttt).
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I've only got the one, Mark. And 10 acres of woods to feed it.

But I don't think of it as survival gear; it's just a basic cooking tool.

One benefit of running on LPG fits the preparedness mode. Doesn't matter if the wires go down or the gas mains are inoperable. you still have the necessary fuel to outlast any reasonable emergency.
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yep - when our power goes out, all i do is light some wood/charcoal or, if speed is a factor, the gas. supper is served and it is good!
 
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I take folks out into the back country every year.  Most of them newbies.  I do a mountain bike trip every October along the 100 mile White Rim Trail loop in Canyonlands National Park Utah and one or two easy backpacking trips as an introduction to newbies interested in how to operate in the mountains.  The Conundrum Hot Springs above Aspen is a favorite backpacking destination of mine to really turn peoples heads around.

As a result, I have become an outfitter of sorts and have collected quite a bit of outdoor cooking equipment over the years.  I have a CampChef Pro 3 25,000 BTU burner propane stove, several dutch ovens and storage for 100 gallons of water used on the bike trips because they can be carried by one of the support vehicles required to move along 15 people for 4 days in the desert.

I dehydrate and seal in mylar bags with O2 absorbers my own meals for the backpacking trips.  These can always be used as a quick, easy and tasty meal in an emergency and can even be prepared in the bag wrapped in a cozy if necessary.

The only equipment required for this is a FoodSaver with an accessory vacuum tube and a cheap iron to seal the bags.

I have stored other foods at home in this manner in case of a real emergency.  Fruits, vegetables, sweet potatoes, mushrooms etc., are dehydrated and sealed as above or in large mason jars.  Rice, dried beans, lentils and spices can be stored for up to 30 years (depending on what you are storing) in this manner. Add some powdered gravies, commercially produced freeze dried potatoes (potatoes do not dehydrate well at home) and a rotating stock of SPAM,  tuna and other canned goods and you will be living large should the need arise.


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Gman has his ducks in a row. I could probably go 2 or 3 weeks with only trips to get more gasoline for the generator and probably 2 weeks without the generator. Around here it's all about the weather and power outages.
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Given the frequency of nor-easters and hurricanes and other nasty stuff here in New England we are fairly well prepared for any event. Also given my background in military survival and the fire service I tend to be a bit anal about having a stocked pantry at all times. We'd be good for at least two or three weeks.
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The fun in Boulder continues.  More rain in the forecast. 

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Time to revisit this old thread.

If you live under the proverbial rock you can skip this post.

Heck, you can skip it even if you live above ground.

I've never been much of what you might call a prepper, but I have taken the time to learn about long term food storage.

Recent world events have triggered me in several areas. Financial investment and long term food storage being the largest of those. I've been busy storing home dehydrated vegetables, dehydrated pre-cooked sweet potatoes, fruits, beans, lentils, rice and flour. Yes, canning is an option and I may choose to put up some meat, but until that happens canned meats are appearing on my home shelves. Last time I hit Costco, there were only 4-25lb bags of bread flour on the floor. Aside from supply chain breakdowns, and the rise of the World Economic Forum, Ukrain is a major wheat producer of the world, but this years harvest isn't going to come in for some reason Wink. There is also a fertilizer shortage for some reason Wink. Food shortages are coming and this has become a serious business at casa gracoman. I'm asking you folks out there to not take this situation lightly.

Easiest way I know of for storing large quantities of flour. No need to use that particular brand of 5 gal mylar bags or that brand of O2 absorbers for that matter.  I've been using a different brand of 5 gal mylar bags with O2 absorbers sealed in place in 5 gal buckets.  Whatever works.

I've been using 1 gal mylar bags with O2 absorbers for dehydrated vegetables.  Learn about moisture content of dehydrated fruits/vegetables and botulism before using this method.  Sealing dehydrated veg/fruits into canning jars works well but mylar bags are much cheaper and block 100% of light. 

Me? I'd buy a home freeze dryer if they weren't so darned expensive. Yes, home freeze driers are a thing now

I'm not thinking this situation is going to go on forever although I suppose it could if things escalate. And they could. I'm fully expecting a bad year though. Consider learning about long term food storage and putting that knowledge into action.


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I'm not sure how this thread found it's way into the New Member's Lounge, Announcements and Site Assistance forum but here we are.
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I keep thinking I need to get on some long-term food prep, but I just never seem to find the time. I have a feeling it's going to bite me in the backside here soon.

BTW, a couple years ago my brother bought one of the home freeze driers. Pretty cool stuff. He left it at my parents house while his new house was being built, and my dad has been going hog wild with it. Freeze drying really oddball stuff, and pretty much anything he can get his hands on. I have some freeze dried hamburger patties in the freezer (even though I know they are shelf stable) that I'm not real sure I want to try. Freeze dried salt water taffy is really good though.
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My experience with freeze dried foods is an old one.  I used freeze dried dinners during my backpacking days.  They were all awful and all expensive, but they filled a need.  Little by little, I changed over to only one freeze dried dinner (along with a 2nd for just in case) and light weight home made dinners.  Rice w/powdered black beans, dried potatoes and similar items.  Then I got a Malamoot that was capable of carrying 50+ lbs.  This and the addition of a dehydrator radically improved dinners on the trail.  

I don't know if commercially prepared freeze dried dinners have improved but I understand home freeze drying produces quality products.  I'm sure not all foods freeze dry well but do not know which foods do and which don't.  Many dehydrated foods come back so well you might not realize they were ever dehydrated.

Dehydrated green beans next to 4 year old rehydrated green beans


A bowl of 4 year old dehydrated green beans that have been rehydrated


Dehydrated foods don't preserve nutrients as well as freeze drying but it does well enough.  Dehydrated foods will easily last for a full year without doing anything more than storing in a Mason/Ball jar that is kept in a cool, dry and dark place.

Dehydrated foods take up less space than freeze dried foods.  Both have the water removed but the cell structure remains intact with freeze drying.  No so with dehydration so they are more compact.

Potatoes don't dehydrate well, so just buy dried potato flakes. They aren't great but they are a thing.  Dehydrated frozen hash browns are amazingly good. Dehydrated cooked sweet potatoes are indistinguishable from fresh.

Learning how to dehydrate foods correctly for long term storage is important.  Low oxygen, foods, dark and moisture are a fantastic environment for botulism. 
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Gracoman,

Firstly, a pleasantry to see you and your interesting post here. 


Hope all is going well and have a lovely weekend.  
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Gracoman,

Palm oil is banned from the European Union for health reasons.  

My husband and I  have never used this product.

Hope all is well and have a nice evening. 

Best wishes from Spain.

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Originally posted by Margi Cintrano Margi Cintrano wrote:

Gracoman,

Palm oil is banned from the European Union for health reasons. 


Margi, first world folks like you and I may understand the health issues associated with palm oil.  Asia, Africa and India not so much.  Palm oil is a popular cooking oil in these places.  But, the situation is more complicated than the health aspect of palm oil as a cooking oil.  Indonesia has banned the export of Palm oil as part of a food security measure. This is very telling.

Prices of all cooking oils will rise as a result.  

Margie, you may be using palm oil and not realize it. It is more than just a cooking oil. Palm oil is also used in the manufacture of many different products.

My advice to everybody who reads this thread is to learn about long term (1 year minimum) storage and begin the process for themselves.  The worst that can happen is you have stored foods that can be used as desired even after the shortage situation is resolved.  If things escalate, and they may, this situation may not be resolved as soon as I believe it will be.   This Palm Oil thing is just one more bit of evidence supporting my position in this.  I will post more evidence as I run across it, but all one has to do is check grocery store shelves to see shortages that are already here.
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Gracoman,

I live in Spain and believe me, ALL the Spanish EVOO I purchase is SPANISH ..  

I use alot of Evoo which are Major E.U. Award Winning Evoos of 1st class. 

I will sign off as it is quite late here and I must be up at 6am tomorrow.

TRY:   Read OLIVE OIL TIMES - it is in both English and Spanish and available online.


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