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    Posted: 20 May 2015 at 10:59


Had the Food Network running as background noise while I worked on some kitchen project. Comes a re-run of Clair Robinson’s show, “Five Ingredient Fix.”

Of all the shucks in the celebrity cooking world, that has to be the biggest. For awhile, the five-ingredient thing was all the rage. TV shows and specials, several books, live-action chefs performing like dancing bears, blogs and U-Tube videos galore.

The whole concept is silly at best. Lowering the number of ingredients does not automatically make for a simpler dish. More to the point, in order to fit the five-ingredient rubric, they invent rules of the game that make no sense. For starters, basic ingredients (such as salt, pepper, water, and cooking oil) are absolved from the count. And if that isn’t enough to force the count, they use convenience products, which themselves might contain anywhere from five to a dozen ingredients, as single ingredients.

On this episode Claire made cornbread as one of her dishes. By my honest count, there were seven ingredients. One of hers was self-rising flour. So that would really be eight ingredients if we were making it from scratch.

What I don’t understand is this: If you’re going to use convenience products, why not go whole hog and use a commercial cornbread mix? That would only count as one ingredient, and, with the amendment she added (bacon) it would be a total of three.

Another of her choices was canned creamed corn, which she accompanied by a speech about if you want to make your own creamed corn you could find her recipe on line at the FN site.

I haven’t looked it up. But, if typical, the creamed corn alone has five ingredients (by her count), and maybe as many as eight or ten real ones.

Proponents of the five-ingredient concept go on and on about why it makes sense. It makes for simpler recipes, they claim. Easier to prepare meals. And just as tasty and high quality, if not more so, than the complex dishes using multiple ingredients.

None of which is true. As we’ve seen, they start by not counting ingredients, or double dipping (for instance, citrus zest and citrus juice, by any rational count, are two ingredients, not one). Very often the way they combine ingredients leads to more complexity. I mean, when I dirty up more pots, pans, and dishes than the number of ingredients in the dish, there’s definitely something wrong with the idea of “simple.”.

IMHO, complexity has little to do with the number of ingredients. Rather, it has to do with the diversity of techniques necessary to complete the dish, and the degree to which the cook is involved. Basically, a cheese omelet is a very complex dish to prepare correctly. Yet its ingredient count fits the five-ingredient rubric.

Perhaps the ultimate example would be my seafood lollipops, the most complex dish I prepare. It involves separating eggs, making a seafood mousse, poaching, batter dipping, and deep frying. There are 17 ingredients, which, if I counted the way the five-ingredient proponents do, would drop to nine.

On the other hand, I used to enjoy a salad made at an upscale café in Boston. Essentially, asparagus, shrimp, olives, and hard cooked eggs were arranged artistically on a bed of greens, with the whole thing tied together with Louis dressing. It’s a great summer luncheon, and I serve it at home from time to time, Very simple to prepare and execute. And, yet, the number of ingredients is far outside the five-ingredient rubric. Oh, wait. That’s not right. Not if we use bottled Louis dressing (thus, only one ingredient), not count the water used to boil the eggs, asparagus, and shrimp, and leave out the salt cuz that’s not an ingredient. Knowing how the five-ingredient proponents think, they’d probably declare the greens to be a garnish, so wouldn’t count them either.

Not to beat a dead horse, but can you think of anything simpler to prepare than a basic stew? You ever count the ingredients? If you’re being honest, there are at least ten, and possibly twice that number. But there’s nothing complex about a stew.

What I’m saying is that it isn’t the number of ingredients that make a dish complex. It’s how you manipulate them.

What say the rest of you?


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As an old man, who is just lazy, I am pretty sure I have beaten their rules a number of times, as a common breakfast I make, potato, onion, egg and corn tortilla, not counting the salt, black pepper, seasoning salt, cayenne and cooking oil, oops that starts to look a lot like 9 ingredients to me, not breaking down the seasoning salt who's label lists 8 ingredients , oh, my, now it is up to 16!
I guess I am not very good at reducing the ingredients, so I should not try out for that show.
I have heard some very silly bull on the cooking shows, did not realize they were SUPPOSED to be comedies.
One that stays with me is Rachal and Alton both believed some idiot who convinced them the tomatillo was NOT related to the tomato but to the goose berry. I really cracked up at that.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say about tomatillos, Drinks.

Sure, they're related to tomatoes. But only in that they are both nightshades. So, at best, they are distant cousins.

The nearest relative to the tomatillo is the cape gooseberry. They both belong to the genus Physalis, with their species name reflecting their origins (Brazil for the tomatillo, Peru for the cape gooseberry). Ground cherries are another in that group.

Tomatoes belong to the genus Lycopersicon, so aren't related to tomatillos on that level. You have to go one stage up the tree, to family, to find any relationship. At that level they are all Solanaecea.

Perhaps the confusion comes from the common name? Tomatillos are often called "husk tomatoes."
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They did not say,"cape goose berry" they said, " goose berry" which is a relative of the currant, ribes group.
The tomato, tomatillo , pepper, potato and egg plant are all related, none of them are a bramble fruit.
It is interesting that food professionals would not bother to research something before making flat statements in public.
Ground cherries are a native plant here, I have made a bunch of ground cherry preserves over the years, ate a bunch raw as well.
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that food professionals would not bother to research....

Of course they do research, Drinks. They just don't do it very well. It is the Food Network after all. As far as Alton Brown is concerned, unless confirmed by other sources, I don't believe a word he says.

Have you heard the commercials for their "ingredience intelligence" section of the website? One of them deals with squash, and tells us how there are almost 150 varieties.

Point of fact: There are four species of domesticated squashes. One of them, alone (C. pepo), has more than 150 varieties.

My favorite, though, has to do with heirlooms. They jumped on that bandwagon a few years ago. But there are a couple of problems. The first being that, if you listen to FN celebrities, you'd get the impression that "heirloom" only applies to tomatoes. And, even worse, that "heirloom" is the name of a specific variety; as in "these good heirloom tomatoes" as an ingredient.
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All I can say is, wear your waders if you are watching FN.
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I've given up on FN. It's become nothing but one reality show after another.
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We've somehow gotten off on another anti-FN rant, which was not my intent.

I'm more concerned about the very concept of five-ingredients, and what that implies. My point was that ease and simplicity, versus complexity of a dish has little to do with the number of ingredients.

My contention is that complexity is a function of how you manipulate the ingredients you are using; that a poly-ingredient dish can be very simple to prepare, and a five (or any low number) ingredient one can be complex. And, of course, I gave examples of each.

Does this make me right? Not necessarily. What I was hoping for was a discussion of simple vs complex in cookery.

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    Perhaps we should have a five ingredient challenge....wait, scratch that Confused


   I think it comes down to who's playground your playing on.  When people set forth "challenges" like this, it's not uncommon for them to make "house rules"...such as water doesn't count, salt and pepper doesn't count, oil doesn't count, etc.  These are exceptions that, logically, shouldn't happen...but for whatever reason jacks are wild in a game of five card draw.

   Brook, I couldn't agree more that cooking technique is where the focus should be.  It's difficult to even entertain the idea of a 5 ingredient dish, explained as simple, only because of the number of ingredients used.  Complexity is about preparation and method used to manipulate those five (or one) ingredient(s).  Heck, take one onion and a hot pan...think about the complexities of flavors you can get depending on how you choose to proceed!

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We were given 2 little pre packaged apple pies, the little triangular type.
I read the label, as I have been known to do, there were 38 items listed, apples were the 16 th. on the list.
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Reading this thread made me think of bread baking. Basic bread. Four ingredients: water, flour, yeast, salt. Endless variations. Is three or four days start to finish complexity enough? I like to make a Pugliese loaf (Bread Makers Bible) but I can seldom schedule and arrange the time to do it.
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Funny thing, Tom. I don't consider bread making to be particularly complex. While I do spend as much as three days making a loaf (i.e., Pane Siciliano), most of that is merely wait time. The actual manipulation of the ingredients is minimal.

Granted, there's a very complex chemical reaction that converts the four basic ingredients into bread. But that only indirectly involves the baker.

But your point is certainly valid. The five-ingredient-fix folks would claim four ingredients for bread, five if using a preferment. Oddly enough, I've never seen one of them actually involved in bread making, despite bread being one of the few products that actually fits the rubric.

In fact, if we were to count the way they do, basic bread only has two ingredients. Which means even enriched and celebratory breads would still fit the rubric.

You also raise an interesting secondary issue: Does time contribute to complexity? Does an otherwise simple process (i.e., bread making) become complex just because of the time involved making a preferment, mixing the dough, kneading, retarding, shaping, etc? A good question.
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Originally posted by HistoricFoodie HistoricFoodie wrote:


You also raise an interesting secondary issue: Does time contribute to complexity? Does an otherwise simple process (i.e., bread making) become complex just because of the time involved making a preferment, mixing the dough, kneading, retarding, shaping, etc? A good question.


Hmmmm... Perhaps there is no "real wait time". Just because you have stopped manipulating the ingredients doesn't mean others have stopped as well.



   Water, Barley, hops and yeast...the combinations and variations seem nearly endless.
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Maybe complexity isn't the right word for what I was thinking of. Multiple steps at the correct time, time being critical. And the delicate handling to preserve the efforts you have expended. On second thought, that is complexity--to me.

I have thought about this same thing occasionally. Managing a recipe--doing this or that in a particular order and doing certain things correctly--these are what make a recipe difficult for me. As has been said here, the number of ingredients is largely irrelevant. Working with unfamiliar ingredients is entirely different. Not knowing whether a plantain or some other fruit or vegie you've never used before is ripe means never knowing why you didn't like that certain dish.
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