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Hoser
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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 03:26 |
I can only imagine how good that pig tasted!
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HistoricFoodie
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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 11:59 |
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So far as tinning, you might want to contact Shay Lelegren, of Hot Dip Tin. Among other things, he's the tinsmith at historic Fort Boonesborough State Park. You can reach him at info@hotdiptin.com. I'm sure he can provide some insights.
I do take exception to your statement that cast iron magically appeared in the 1600s. That's merely when the British learned how to do it. And they learned it from the Chinese, who were making cast-iron implements in the 1200s.
The golden age of cast iron cookware was, of course, the 18th century. But even then, many items were still made of copper, brass, tinplate, and clay.
Generally speaking, anything that should be prepared or stored in a nonreactive container should not be cooked in unlined copper. Mostly that means acidic foods, in terms of reacting (perhaps unsafely) with the copper. But other foods, such as eggs, react in other ways; discoloring for example.
Overall, I just feel better if any copperware used for food is tinned.
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HistoricFoodie
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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 12:03 |
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Good looking set up, Hoser.
Does that fireplit fold for ease of transport and storage?
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Karl
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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 13:52 |
![]() I am impressed with your field kitchen! I hope that you do not mind me stealing an idea or two from it. The problem with cast iron cooking pots is documenting them: http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=139098&sid=bd269da4f23c5f120c72ad3aefb189b6 Apparently even the English were casting iron cannon balls and even cannons almost two hundred years earlier than the Jamestown cauldron. I would love to find even a shard of a cast iron pot in the HRE that can be dated earlier. Due to high shipping costs I am looking for an experienced local person to tin some of these copper pots that need it. I might have talked a local blacksmith into trying a wrought iron cauldron for me. We'll see. I have heard that egg whites whip up better in copper. Please tell me more about discoloring. |
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TasunkaWitko
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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 14:01 |
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hey, guys, just a side-note here:
even though i haven't really got anything to contribute to this, i am really loving the discussion ~ this is one of those topics that i think have a very happy home here at FOTW, and i am grateful to be able to read up on the historical knowledge presented here. it's one of those topics that never occurred to me until it was brought up by karl - looking forward to more ~
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toomuch
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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 14:35 |
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Thanks for all the positive comments, historical cooking is a huge passion of mine. In case anyone is interested, here is more pictures of my kitchen, I use everything so it is not always picture perfect.
Teri
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Karl
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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 15:02 |
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Teri - What all are you cooking in your untinned little copper cauldron?
![]() How much does the clay pipkin hold? Mine are all small so that they would fit in my suitcases. What would you call these spit-trivets? ![]() |
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toomuch
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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 16:00 |
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Right now I am using the copper couldrons both big and small for demo or for boiling water for cleaning. I don't have the skill to tin the large one myself and professionally tinning it would be cost prohibitive at this time. The small one is going to the tinners in a couple weeks along with a couple other copper pots not pictured.
The pitkin is about 6 cups, I have 4 pitkins ranging from 12 oz to 48 oz.
The spit trivit is a reproduction peice from Scappi's Opera 1570 and the only name written is "quatro pieas" 4-footed.
The project for this year, pending budget, is to build a field kitchen similar to Scappi's Opera.
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Karl
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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 16:41 |
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"Quatro pieas" sounds good.
![]() This field kitchen? The fire "roof" would be really useful here in our rain forest. ![]() I am beginning to think that I would like to play with something like this too. This might be what some of the Landsknecht wood cuts are trying to show (with a fancier top band and bail). The problem is that the better my field kitchen gets the more impossible it would be to transport anywhere to use and show off. ![]() |
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toomuch
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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 17:33 |
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Oh the kitchen fills up a suv and 5x8 trailer to haul it from event to event. It ends up only being used 2 or 3 times a year because of fire restrictions. Each time though, it is very special.
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Karl
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Posted: 27 February 2012 at 14:30 |
![]() This is what the Swedish Landsknechts are using. ![]() These are some Russian reenactors. Ground fires are not restricted here since we live in a rain forest. |
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Karl
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Posted: 29 February 2012 at 11:42 |
![]() A "viking age" brass(?) pot on display in the Sunnmore Museum, Alesund, Norway. |
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Karl
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gonefishin
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Posted: 06 November 2013 at 14:40 |
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WOW, great thread Karl! Thanks for bringing this one back up!
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Enjoy The Food!
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Karl
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Posted: 06 November 2013 at 15:22 |
I am glad that you enjoyed it. This thread helped bring copperware back to my attention: http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/281325/ and this is a good place for me to cache' documentation. |
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gonefishin
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Posted: 06 November 2013 at 17:40 |
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This stuff is just beautiful! I would love to get a few pieces, but I don't have the property to do it right now. Hopefully, when we move we may find something better suited for this.
Nice stuff guys! |
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Enjoy The Food!
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toomuch
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Posted: 06 November 2013 at 17:42 |
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looking at the fire box, really neat idea.
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Karl
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Posted: 07 November 2013 at 13:41 |
Those clever Russians. Yes, a raised firebox would be much easier on the back and knees. A kitchen like this would not hurt my back, knees, or feelings much either: ![]() |
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Posted: 01 September 2014 at 13:15 |
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Looks like a good time!
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