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Kiaora,

I've browsed most of Jamie's books at one time or another and figure I can provide a different opinion to the knockers. They're very good. I agree he does push an agenda, but I don't have a problem with that (tell me who doesn't have an agenda?), and he's got a good point. On that side of things his TED talk is one of the better ones I've seen - http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/jamie_oliver.html (caution, if you've never heard of TED you can lose a day watching those things).

On to the important stuff, generally he focuses on pretty simple fare, done well, at least in the books I've read. He's built quite the online community as well, which always impresses me. http://www.jamieoliver.com/ . You can probably get an idea of the style from there.
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Thanks Kiwi for your lovely contribution ... I am in agreement on the simple fare done well, especially in his book on the Mediterranean cuisines, which is the only one I have ...
 
Thanks for the websites too.
 
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@ Ron,
 
" You are hilarious " ...
 
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not to beat a dead horse, but.....
 
Ron, you've got entirely too much time on your hands! Shocked
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Good Afternoon,
 
Feedback ?
 
I think there are times when the Press and other forms of Media, come down heavy on a specific chef, actor, actress or anyone in public eye - limelight ... and this is the case with Ramsey.
 
His book of his 365 cartes per day  is amazing and he is truly well versed in his craft --- Michelin or not ... I have interviewed chefs without Michelin stars who are absolutely phenomenal  too ... They deserve Michelin stars !  
 
To move on ...
 
In the very early 1990s, Eric Ripert had worked on South Miami Beach while starting out ... I had never eaten at his NYC restaurants however ... Though I like Wylie De Fresne ... very fascinating ... he is one of the few chefs who own a restaurant in NYC who studied under Ferrán Adriá --- though if I am not mistaken, he is not an American, he is Belgian.
 
This started as UK Chefs ... What about Heston Blumethal ? Has anybody eaten at his restaurant ?
He had garnered the 2nd Best Rest. in the world award from London Rest. Magazine --- Dane Chef Rene Redzepi of Copenhagen the 1st ...
 
Ferrán Adriá, believes that Grant Achatz is absolutely phenomenal ... He would like to see Grant move up into 1st place for 2012 ... The awards take place in mid April and are announced in May.
 
 
Thanks to all who have replied and given their feedback ...
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In the very early 1990s, Eric Ripert.....
 
It's kind of unfair to compare anybody to Ripert. IMO, if he isn't the best chef working in America today, he runs whoever is a very close second.
 
Though I like Wylie De Fresne ... very fascinating ...
 
Indeed he is. One of the few who have jumped on the moleculer gastronomy bandwagon who actually understand what Adria was trying to accomplish. The result: creative blending of science and cooking that takes food in new directions. Many have tried (unfortunately) but few have succeeded. Wylie (like Jose Andres) is one of the exceptions, and the food served at WD50 is truly unique.
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there's one fellow i see quite a bit of - marcus sameulsson.
 
 i don't know if he is the BEST, but i really enjoy a lot of his concepts and find his background to be interesting.
 
this is a great discussion - since it has moved in such interesting directions, i've copied it to the "library" section of the forum. it will still be visible here, in the british isles, but it seems that it might find a happier home in the library ~
 
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Wylie and José Andrés are both disciples of Ferràn Adrià ... amongst others ...
 
I have not eaten at Eric Ripert´s Restaurant in NYC, however, and had eaten at a South Miami Beach one where he was working, however I do not believe the venue was Eric´s  ... It was quite nice from recollection and the year was 1991 - 1992 ... Just before I had moved to Europe 1992 August ...   
 
I cannot Compare Eric Ripert to anybody, nor would I because it was over a decade ago --- I had a meal in South Miami Beach over 10 yrs ago ...
 
I can tell,  ADRIA is extraordinaire and profoundly the best in this type of cuisine, Molecular Vanguard ---  
 
and JOSÉ ANDRÉS is amazing in Spain ... Product availability is quite a challenge for José in the USA ...
 
He is very involved now with: Wines and Foods from Spain North America Group in NYC ... he also just opened a LAS VEGAS venue ... and then with the Harvard Univ. with ADRIA ... 
 
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Yes, originally it had started out with 2 UK top chefs, however, now it has moved onto other top chefs.
 
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I would have thought by now that everyone understood that Gordon Ramsay and Jamie Oliver play an imposed act, dictated by the program makers by whom's grace and money they work for... I've seen all those programs, well, most of them! Living in a small country like I am, means certain TV stations simply buy many foreign programs, subtitle them and it's ready to go, the more excitement, the better.

I've seen Top chef USA, Masterchef USA, Kitchen Nightmares UK, Kitchen Nightmares USA, Jamie Oliver playing Don Quichote, trying to re-invent schoollunches in the US. The very, very worse are american shows in which they need Gordon Ramsay to play the bully. Kitchen Nightmares USA and Masterchef USA were the worse of the worst imo. I had such good laughs with that orange Italian who nearly fought with people who came to claim their money. Same for the chronical overacting in Masterchef USA; the much too many "yeahs!!" and "woohoos!!" from the competitors, Ramsay acting as if on speed, the Disney figurine judge and the snobby judge assisting Ramsay, what a joke!

But, there was also Ramsay in search for the best foreign restaurant in the UK, a competition between Englands most liked Italians, most liked Indians, most liked french and most liked Spanish restaurants, all ending in a stunning grand finale where a fabulous Italian restaurant won run by 2 young brothers. Never seen so much competence, never seen Ramsay playing the real Ramsay this time and obviously enjoying himself as an undisputed absolute top chef, an utter perfectionist, gathering michelinstars with a team of extremely high skilled chefs, all working in different upscale Ramsay restaurants.

Sadly enough his recent cookbooks are -in my eyes- too pedestrian and I'm being much too polite. I very much like one his first cookbooks and I would warmly recommend this book to anyone taking french cooking serious, yes, french cooking! It's called "A chef for all seasons" first published in ... 2000. A real must-have!!! Jamie Oliver's Naked chef books are simply outstanding. But my biggest favorite english foodwriter is -no dought- Rick Stein; always no nonsense, just as I like it. There's a lot of cooking programs on TV, starring Rick Stein. Like his voyage on a barge sailing on the canals through France, or his sublime Mediterranean Journey; do buy his book "Rick Stein's Mediterranean Escapes", it's fantastic!

I already mentioned a few times Jason Atherton on this forum, another fantastic chef from the Ramsay stable with connections to Ferran Adriá. I love his book "Maze", very modern tapa-style, the future!

One more addition; best cooking show; Masterchef Australia, and waaaaw, suchs professional judges, they really know how to cook, judging by the masterclasses they performed, stunning! Also like Masterchef France, lots of drama and tears, the french really take cooking extremely serious. First edition; they had to choose from 18.000 candidates. The program started with 100 competitors. Very, very best cooking show on TV, no shouting, no yeahs, no woohoos; Masterchef The Professionals on the BBC with Michel Roux Jr. as a judge... the last edition was simply mindblowing!

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To All Members who have Contributed,
 
Thank you for your contribution to this thread.
 
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Kitchen Nightmares USA and Masterchef USA were the worse of the worst imo.
 
Have to disagree, Chris. For Ramsey at his contrived worst, Hells Kitchen takes the prize.
 
I would have to say that Master Chef was the second worst concept for a show. First place in the "whoinhell thought that one up" category has to go to FN's The Worst Cooks In America.
 
But, there was also Ramsay in search for the best foreign restaurant in the UK,.....
 
That was one of the incarnations of The F Word. You're right! That's as close to the real Ramsey as you're going to find on TV. It may or may not be indicative of anything that he produces the show himself.
 
The real problem with a subject like this is that there are so many truly gifted chefs, all over the world, who are not celebrities. They don't have TV shows, they don't write books, they don't get interviewed for magazine articles. They just provide their guests with spectacular food, on a daily basis. But, other than to those who patronize their restaurants, nobody hears about them.
 
This is, of course, a two edged sword. Without the hype, and the television persona, would Ramsey be quite as successful as he is? His talent would remain the same. But who would know about it?
 
 
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Originally posted by ChrisBelgium ChrisBelgium wrote:

I would have thought by now that everyone understood that Gordon Ramsay and Jamie Oliver play an imposed act, dictated by the program makers by whom's grace and money they work for...

Nobody is forcing either of these chefs to make awful TV shows.  It is their choice -- and one for which I do not have a great deal of respect.

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This young lady is Giada de Laurentiis.Granddaughter of Italian film producer Dino de Laurentiis.
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Originally posted by HistoricFoodie HistoricFoodie wrote:

... The real problem with a subject like this is that there are so many truly gifted chefs, all over the world, who are not celebrities. They don't have TV shows, they don't write books, they don't get interviewed for magazine articles. They just provide their guests with spectacular food, on a daily basis. But, other than to those who patronize their restaurants, nobody hears about them.
 
This is, of course, a two edged sword. Without the hype, and the television persona, would Ramsey be quite as successful as he is? His talent would remain the same. But who would know about it?
 
Well I do remember also seeing people like Hubert Keller, Tom Colucchio (Top Chef) and so on in other shows. People who don't make all that fuss, but people who are probably fantastic cooks...
I'm afraid view-ratings are sadly enough much better fueled by people who make the most noise...
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Originally posted by Daikon Daikon wrote:

Nobody is forcing either of these chefs to make awful TV shows.  It is their choice -- and one for which I do not have a great deal of respect.

You're right. I think we both know that money talks. If we were thrown the same kind of money in our face to do some serious overacting we would probably do the same? Well I might, even though I don't have that kind of personality I might give it my best shot, hahaha.
And regarding Ramsay; it's presumably a money thing, and I certainly don't get it why he's willing to build such an awful tough-boy image of himself. I always remember the saying "empty barrels sound the loudest"... doesn't work for me at all.
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Good Morning Daikon,
 
From my point of view, there are uncountable Professional trained and working Chefs / Cooks in the rurals of the Mediterranean or Northern Europe as well, whose dishes and culinary philosophy are unbroken by all this Glitter and Sparkle Limelight B.S.,  and are absolutely awesome and deserve Michelin Stars, however, that is NOT their goal nor ambition.
 
They just love to do what they are doing, support their families, earn a decent living and have a stable clientel ...
 
As far as Gordon goes, he has four children to support in Scotland. So, Money Talks Non Stop ...
However, from my viewpoint, he is extraordinairely gifted in the kitchen. I have not yet eaten in any of his USA or UK restaurants. Have not had time to get over to London for a long wkend. Perhaps in the early autumn ...
 
However, I can tell you that, Adrià for me is the King of Molecular ... This is not every day food ! This is once in a blue moon cuisine ... It was fascinating for me ... Had learnt alot about Nitrogen Liquid and how it all works ... Ferràn hailed from quite a humble Catalan background too ... He kicked off his culinary skills in the Military ! 
 
Now he is investigating with HARVARD and he recently published a book : FAMILY MEALS which is quite a good basic book on the many Iberian Cuisines and basic techniques. I highly suggest purchasing it ...
 
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