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TasunkaWitko
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Topic: Khoubz ArabyPosted: 29 January 2014 at 18:46 |
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Khoubz Araby Arab Bread Wheat, acknowledged as mankind's oldest cultivated crop, was first domesticated at least 9,000 years ago from wild grasses found in this region; and the rest - as they say - is history. From these fertile valleys, golden, nutritious wheat - and other grains - nourished emerging civilisations and fed armies as glorious empires were forged. This, from Time-Life's Foods of the World - Middle Eastern Cooking, 1969: |
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Posted: 29 January 2014 at 20:10 |
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Ron,
Pocket breads such as this are dependent on rapid heating to form the balloons. What happens is that steam causes the sudden rising. To that end, the dough is usually cooked on a preheated surface. In your case, the sheet pans should have been heated in the oven, and the breads laid on them. That would have helped with the non-puffing issue. Flatbreads of this nature do not have to be done in the oven. A hot griddle, on the stovetop, serves just as well, and is more in line with how nomadic peoples would have "baked" their bread. Anyway, next time try preheating the pans, and see if that doesn't make a difference. |
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Posted: 30 January 2014 at 21:41 |
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I think I would try a different flour to get closer to "what might have been".
I'm thinking fine stone ground, whole grain, probably organic(don't know if that would make much difference; I'm not a big believer). It would be an interesting experiment to make the bread with different wheat flours, and compare.
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Posted: 30 January 2014 at 21:59 |
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Brook - I agree about the pre-heating of the baking sheets; I briefly considered baking them on my pizza stone, but opted not to in the end. Results may have been a lot different as far as the "puffing" goes, but I must stress again: it sure tasted good, no matter what!
Darko - I think you're onto something with the different flours. Brook and I were discussing this via PM, and he mentioned an Egyptian version, khoubz baladi, which employs essentially the same method with whole wheat flour. I can only imagine how good this would be, until I try it someday!
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Posted: 30 January 2014 at 22:44 |
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I did the baladi with half whole wheat and half bread flour, and it was the best "pita" I'd ever tasted. Haven't gotten around to making them with all whole wheat, but it's on my to-do list.
Darko, while there are all sorts of reasons why organic can be a good thing, there should be no effect on the final product based on using organic or non-organically grown wheat. But I agree that using different flours can have an effect on the final bread. One of these days......
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Posted: 31 January 2014 at 08:38 |
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In our private discussions, Ron requested that I post Alford and Duguid’s recipe for baladi, just as a comparison. Here it is:
2 tsp active dry yeast 2 ½ cups luke warm water 5-6 cups hard whole wheat flour, or 3 cups each whole wheat flour and hard unbleached white flour or unbleached all-purpose flour 1 tbls salt 1 tbls olive oil In a large bread bowl. Sprinkle the yeast over the warm water. Stir to dissolve. Stir in 3 cups flour a cup at a time, and then stir 100 times, about 1 minute, in the same direction to activate the gluten. Let this sponge rest for at least 10 minutes, or as long as 2 hours. Sprinkle the salt over the sponge and stir in the olive oil. Mix well. Add more flour, a cup at a time until the dough is too stiff to stir. Turn it out onto a lightly floured surface and knead for 8 to 10 minutes, until smooth and elastic. Rinse out the bowl, dry, and lightly oil. Return the dough to the bowl and cover with plastic wrap. Let rise until at least doubled in size, approximately 1 ½ hours. (The dough can be made ahead to this point and stored, covered, in the refrigerator for up to 7 days). If baking the breads: Place unglazed quarry tiles or two small baking sheets on the bottom rack of your oven, leaving a 1-inch gap all around between the tiles or sheets and the oven walls to allow heat to circulate. Preheat the oven to 450F. Gently punch down the dough. Divide the dough in half, then set half aside, covered, while you work with the rest. Divide the other half into 8 equal pieces and flatten each piece with lightly floured hands. Roll out each piece to a circle 8-9 inches in diameter and less than ¼ inch thick. Keep the rolled-out breads covered until ready to bake, but do not stack. Place 2 breads, or more if your oven is large enough, on the quarry tiles of baking sheets, and bake for 2-3 minutes, or until each bread has gone into a full “balloon.” Keep the baked breads together in a large kitchen towel to keep them warm and soft while you bake the remaining rolled out breads. Then repeat with the rest of the dough. To cook on top of the stove: Preheat a 9-inch or larger griddle or cast-iron skillet over medium high heat. When hot, lightly grease the surface of the griddle with a little oil. Gently put one bread onto the griddle. Cook for 15 o 20 seconds, then gently turn over. Cook for about 1 minute, until big bubbles begin to appear. Turn the bread again to the first side, and cook unto the bread balloons fully. To help the process along, you can press gently with a towel on those areas where bubbles have already formed, trying to push the air bubbles into areas that are still flat. The breads should take no more than 3 minutes to cook, and, likewise, they shouldn’t cook so fast they begin to burn. There is no need to regrease the griddle after each bread, but you might want to do so after each 4-5 breads. |
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Posted: 01 February 2014 at 09:04 |
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Great timing on this one. I have Syrian bread planned for tomorrow. I'm guessing Syrian and Pita breads are the same or very similar with the possible exception that Syrian has forked holes to keep the breads from forming a pocket. Any comments on this?
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Posted: 01 February 2014 at 13:27 |
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I'm not sure that "Syrian" has any meaning in this context, Gracoman. You could be referring to any of a dozen or more flatbreads. Many of these are endemic to the whole region, others tend to be identified with a more specific region.
For example, lachmanjan, a topped flatbread, is thought to be Syrian. But it bears a striking resemblance to the Turkish lambjun. On the other hand, there's no question that felaveri is Syrian. But it's a very thin bread, sort of like a soft lavash. Etc. Generally speaking, it seems to me, just IDing any of these breads as being Eastern Mediterranean is the safest way to go. I've seen flatbreads such as you describe available commercially. As you say, they look like pitas that are not hollow, pockmarked with a fork. The commercial ones are not identified as being Syrian. But we used to go to a Syrian bakery in Brooklyn that made giant versions of these. I mean, think of a non-pocketed pita 14-18 inches in diameter, and topped with olive oil and za'atar; olive oil and thyme, or merely sesame seeds. I have no idea what they'd be called in Syrian. Alford and Duguid have a version, rolled to a more normal size, which they call khubs zatar (and translated as thyme bread), which they say is found in Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and Egypt. Yet another, similar bread, is manaaeesh. Rather than being baked in individual rounds, however, it's shaped into large rectangles (think of a thin focaccia) and topped with olive oil, salt, and za'atar. Manaaeesh is almost always identified as being Lebanese, but I'm sure similar breads are found throughout the region. Why don't you post your recipe, and we'll see if we can fit it more closely. |
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Posted: 01 February 2014 at 15:05 |
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The term Syrian bread sounded generalized to me too. I've looked at quite a few Middle Eastern flatbread recipes and they are all pretty similar with varying degrees of oil/salt/sugar.
The bread I'm after will hold a filling of spiced chicken and grilled vegetables. A Middle Eastern ubiquitous sandwich called Shish Taouk with Toum. Shish Taouk is translated as skewered chicken. Toum is a garlicky paste or sauce always served with this dish. Shish Taouk may also be served with rice but I'm going for the street food type sandwich. The "Syrian" bread was throwing me. I plan on posting results here. Here is one recipe labeled Syrian Bread
I don't plan on using the bread machine. |
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Posted: 02 February 2014 at 05:25 |
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Watch the timing on these, GM. Five minutes might be a bit much. Most of these breads only take 2-3 minutes to bake.
If you skip the fork-pricking, don't be surprised if these do balloon up and form pockets. This is, after all, a basic pita recipe with a slightly higher sugar content. |
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Posted: 02 February 2014 at 08:02 |
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Thanks for the heads up on timing.
I may use a slightly different recipe and cook them in a pre-heated cast iron skillet on the stove top. |
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Posted: 02 February 2014 at 09:12 |
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Or not. No reason this recipe shouldn't work on the stovetop.
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Posted: 02 February 2014 at 23:36 |
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Great discussion, guys ~ keep it coming, I say....
An acquaintance on another forum caught this post, and offered up these words:
memories and impressions like this are exactly what I try to evoke when I post my pictorials, and I was pretty honoured that I was able to take a guy back to an experience that obviously left a positive impression.
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Posted: 03 February 2014 at 04:44 |
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Well, let's not forget the flatbread discussions we had when I wrote my bread making primer.
The actual flatbread chapter can be found here: http://www.foodsoftheworld.activeboards.net/the-staff-of-life-a-primer-on-baking-bread_topic3089_page2.html But there is additional talk scattered here and there throughout it. When we went in search of the original Babylonian bread, lot's of insights emerged, particularly the techniques used by desert people provided by Ahron. That thread can be found at http://www.foodsoftheworld.activeboards.net/babylonian-bread_topic3336.html?KW=barley+bread And, of course, a cruise down the bread & grains forum reveals lots of flatbread entries. |
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