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Topic: A Universal Trinity?Posted: 23 October 2015 at 15:52 |
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Mike’s (Pitrow) thread on a Dutch stamppot using kale, potatoes, and sausage ( http://www.foodsoftheworld.activeboards.net/boerenkool-met-worst-kale-with-sausage topic4509.html?SID=98140741e8317d7667879z7a6bdaa7054282407 ) got me thinking about how perfect a match those ingredients are. And I wondered if pairing kale with potatoes and pork wasn’t more common than using regular cabbage.
I still don’t know whether or not it’s more prevalent. But the pairing of those three is incredibly common, in almost all countries and cultures. This isn’t to say that they’re paired in the same way. Sometimes, as with Colcannon and Boernkool, they’re in the form of a mash. In Minnasota there’s a hotdish that’s prepared virtually the same way. Grunkohl is a German dish that combines kale, sausages, and potatoes, seasoned with bacon or speck. Otherwise it takes the same approach. More often we find that trinity combined in a soup. This is, perhaps, the most common method. The Portuguese classing Caldo Verde is made that way, for instance. Rather than smoked sausage, Italy’s Zuppa Toscana uses Italian sausage. Thicken the soup into a stew and you find numerous versions, including an Hungarian Goulas. And sometimes, as with the Danish Gronlaugkal, the three are served separately on the plate. Gronlaugkal conisists of a kale stew, with carmelized potatoes and smoked ham on the same plate. Interestingly, sweet potatoes are sometimes used instead of Irish. Both Russia and the Ukraine have soups made that way. Which potato to use is, apparently optional. My researches have just begun. But I’m sure I’ll find that central Europe has versions of this trinity in all its countries. And perhaps we’ll find it in the Mid-East as well? What about your own ethnic backgrounds? Is there a special dish in your background that combines these three? I’d like to hear about it. And if you have recipes, especially if they’re the way Grandma made it, so much the better. |
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Posted: 25 October 2015 at 21:40 |
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Onion, hot peppers and some form of meat, usually pork or beef though goat is pretty common, too.
As this is for the border country, corn tortillas would be the wrapper/ companion, holder. Salchica,(sausage) is not really that common, most meats are either chopped, pulled or stewed. |
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Posted: 26 October 2015 at 05:45 |
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Drinks, I think you're missing the point, here.
I'm not looking for variations on three ingredients. Rather, I'm attempting to uncover the prevalence of pairing kale, potatoes, and pork, and how that compares to regular cabbage rather than the kale. |
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Posted: 26 October 2015 at 07:21 |
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I presented Brook's post to a gentleman I know who lives in Amsterdam. Back a number of years he used to be a restaurateur and still has an interest in food and the nuances between different regions of the world.
I will just copy/paste his comments below. Again, the discusiion started with Brook's comments on this Trinity" Nico -My researches have just begun. Pff, really? :) Very interesting, I wasn't aware of how wide spread kale is. It's a common winter food in the Netherlands, and as far as I'm aware always eaten cooked and mashed (never raw as salad), and a smoked sausage (heated in water, but not boiled so it stays juicy), often in slices on the heap of mash. Many eat is with a bit of gravy. I eat it myself regularly. In Germany (where I lived for 18 yrs) it is eaten in several ways; as a soup, a mash, or a portion with boiled or fried potatoes. All versions include lots of meat; sausage, pork rib, chops, whatever. It depends on where you are, details differ. I've never seen it eaten raw in Germany, by the way. Edit Thanks for the comments, Nico. It's interesting to note the differences, nuances, from region to region. Nailing down some of the inner nuances and history within would certainly be interesting. Having a familiarity with kale, potatoes and meat, have you seen equal use of cabbage in place of the kale in the dishes you're familiar with? I can't recall seeing any use of kale raw either. But after seeing the recipe for a kale/potato mash...with sausage...it sounds like something I've really got to try. When you make it, what meats do you use? Do you use any special sausage or make your own? Thanks again, Nico...have a wonderful weekend! Nico Nightowl Oct 24, 2015 + 1 0 1 Reply +Dan Traina We have a thing with mashes here. Boerenkool (as above), zuurkool stamppot (Sauerkraut, which is fermented white cabbage) mashed with potatoes, often with dices of bacon mixed in, and often it comes with the same sliced smoked sausage as used in boerenkool. Then there is hutspot, which is a mash of potatoes, carrots, and onions, mostly accompanied by a meatball or pork chops or something, and gravy. But many other vegetables are used too to make a mash. It's simple, good, quickly food (although there are the inevitable ready-meals), healthy, and kids tend to like it. Meats may differ here and there. Edit really interesting stuff, Nico. Here's the thread that originally inspired the secondary discussion. http://foodsoftheworld.activeboards.net/boerenkool-met-worst-kale-with-sausage_topic4509.html#34408 Your mashes certainly sound fascinating. You are certainly welcome to join in the discussion at the other forum. But would you also mind if I add your comments into the thread over there? Thanks again for the discussion...I'll certainly be checking out some of your foods this coming winter :) Nico Nightowl Oct 24, 2015 + 1 0 1 Reply +Dan Traina Add anything you like, no problem. |
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Posted: 26 October 2015 at 16:55 |
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I wonder if climate doesn't cause variance in this trinity. Where I live in the agricultural Midwest with its long, hot summers and often frigid winters, we are limited in what spring and fall crops we can grow reliably. Cabbage is about it among the brassicas, though with some care you can grow cauliflower and broccoli. I've never known anyone to grow kale around here. It is a brassica, isn't it? Perhaps that's just cultural, though. The similar trinity I grew up with was sauerkraut and some kind of pork served over mashed potatoes. Ribs, chops, neck bones, wieners, smoked sausage, whatever. Since it's just me and Wonder Woman most of the time now when I barbecue ribs, I cut the rack in half before cooking, season the short end for BBQ, and smoke both parts. The second, plain smoked part gets thrown in the pressure cooker with kraut for a second meal midweek.
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Posted: 27 October 2015 at 05:03 |
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Not only a brassica, Tom, it's classed as a non-heading cabbage.
Usually, if you can grow one cruciferous veggie you can grow them all, cuz the growing requirements tend to be the same. is the same. The non-heading stuff, like kale, can usually be started a little earlier, because it's more cold tolerant. |
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