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woodywoodduck
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Topic: Pepperoni and SalamiPosted: 17 November 2010 at 20:03 |
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Anyone ever make homemade Pepperoni or Salami?
I'd like to try making 1 or the other this year out of deer meat. I've seen backwoods spices had a mix packet of spices at gander mountain and in it, it has a packet to make Pepperoni, but I'd like to use a Recipe someone has already done and has had them come out good!
I know from talking to others that both need to go thru a "Fermentation" period and smoked for so long and hung to dry, but they never tried it themselves, they just had a family member who used to make them and knew what they went thru to make them but never asked exatly HOW toos on it.
Anyone ever make them?
If so, how hard it is and what all do you need to do the "Fermentation" and then the hang to dry?
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Posted: 17 November 2010 at 20:24 |
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I really want to try this. I had a butcher that would take my offcuts and lesser cuts from whatever had been shot and make salami out of it for $4nz a kilo. Really good stuff too - he'd do the smoking and then I'd hang em in my shed. I'd like to get the knack of it.
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 01:34 |
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I made pepperoni once guys, and it was an absolute disaster. You need a cooler with humidity control to do it properly. I used a friend and restaurant owner's walk-in cooler to hang mine, and the variations in humidity made it visually very unappealing. Dried and shrunken like a dead snake. The flavor was not so bad, but you really need a facility where you can control the moisture in the air to within a couple of percent to do it right.
Perhaps an old fridge adapted for the cause? |
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 02:14 |
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I already have several temp controlled fridges, can't be too hard to get the humidity controlled in there as well.... right?
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 07:04 |
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here are a couple of resources after posting an inquiry @ www.smoked-meat.com:
i will probably have a few more answers by this afternoon. also, i have a book somewhere fore venison/wild game that goes into some detail. will post when i can find it.
for anyone who does try this, we could use a good tutorial, with pictures! |
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 12:34 |
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That's right! you brew a lot right Richard? I would think that the addition of just a pan of water or an occasional misting would be ok as long as you have a good hygrometer in the refrigeration unit. If you think about it, it shouldn't be much more difficult than taking care of a humidor full of cigars! |
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 13:03 |
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here are some recipes for salami, posted at www.baitshopboyz.com:
NOTE! these recipes are posted "as written," meaning that i am posting them the same way i found them and the same way that i tried them a couple-three years ago. since then, i've learned that the original recipe was a little heavy on the tenderquick, and my recommendations is 1.5 TEAspoons per pound. this will probably mean that you may want to add some salt of some kind to taste.
here's a recipe from mortons:
and here's a step-by-step from another forum:
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here's an article with a method for making nitrite-free air-dried salami:
finally, here's a "bologna" recipe that i have actually tried. it's not really bologna in the traditional sense, just a name for it, i guess. i liked the flavour quite a bit. it was a few years ago and i used 100% venison with no fat, pork etc., so it was a little crumbly, but the basic recipe and method were quite sound. the progression of posts shows the evolution of my own version. feel free to try this at the beginning, middle or end as you please:
this goes without saying, but if you use any of these recipes in conjunction with your smoker, omit the liquid smoke!
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 13:46 |
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Thanks for all the info!
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 14:08 |
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note to all in case you missed it - for those recipes in my previous post, i recommend that you adjust the amount of tenderquick to 1.5 level TEAspoons per pound. i posted the recipes as i found tehm, but i think that the original posters of those recipes mixed up the tea- and table-spoons. in any case, morton recommends 1.5 tsp/lb. for ground or thinly-sliced meats, and you will be fine using the same.
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 14:48 |
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Ok... I have to ask, what exactly in tenderquick? is it a brand name of something?
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 14:56 |
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Would 1 still need to add a pan of water or mist the casings?
LMAO, YEAH We have 1 of them...my Father-in-law has told me many times to TAKE CARE OF THE DANG THING (Yep he makes it a Bold Statement) he keeps telling me it came with the house when he bought the house back in 1966... I use it to "Hang" the Deer (more like stand the quarters up in it) to age for a week or 2 before butchering....Also it is the Beer and wiskey Fridge since the Wife doesn't get into it all that often
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 14:59 |
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widely available here - if you can't find it or a similar product, let me know and we will see if we can figure out an acceptable substitute and/or conversions in the form of "prague powder" or "insta-cure" or some other curing agent.
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 15:00 |
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It is made by the Salt makers Mortons Salts and it is a mixture of Sugar, Sodium Nitrite and something else......
Looking for a link here so you can see what exactly it is...
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 15:03 |
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TasunkaWitko, I take it who ever posted the recipe you got didn't read Morton's Cation??
CAUTION: This curing salt is designed to be used at the rate specified in the formulation or recipe. It should not be used at higher levels as results will be inconsistent, cured meats will be too salty, and the finished products may be unsatisfactory. Curing salts should be used only in meat, poultry, game, salmon, shad and sablefish. Curing salts cannot be substituted for regular salt in other food recipes. Always keep meat refrigerated (36° to 40°F) while curing.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE HELP!!!!
NOW, All I have to do is hit the "Sweet Spot" Next Monday 11/29/10 (First day of Rifle Deer Season here in PA) and I'll have meat to try these recipes out!
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Posted: 18 November 2010 at 15:43 |
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sounds like a plan - and looky what i found:
Morton's Recipe for Pepperoni
From http://www.mortonsalt.com/recipes/RecipeDetail.aspx?RID=46
Prep Time: 20 Minutes (Refrigerate Overnight) Servings: 1 pound --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ingredients: 1 pound lean ground beef
1-1/2 level teaspoons Morton® Tender Quick® mix or Morton® Sugar Cure® (plain) 1 teaspoon liquid smoke 3/4 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper 1/2 teaspoon mustard seed 1/2 teaspoon fennel seed, slightly crushed 1/4 teaspoon crushed red pepper 1/4 teaspoon anise seed 1/4 teaspoon garlic powder --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Directions Combine all ingredients, mixing until thoroughly blended. Divide mixture in half. Shape each half into slender roll about 1-1/2 inch in diameter. Wrap in plastic or foil. Refrigerate overnight. Unwrap rolls and place on broiler pan.
Bake at 325°F until a meat thermometer inserted in the center of a roll reads 160°F, 50 to 60 minutes. Store wrapped in refrigerator. Use within 3 to 5 days or freeze for later use. If Morton Meat Curing products are not available at your local grocery store, the products can be ordered throught the Morton Salt online store.
ron's notes: with this recipe, i notice on one hand that we're not dealing with the fermenting, cases, temperature control stuff, but on the other hand the flavours invovled look just right, and i am thinking (subject to actually trying and tasting the results) that this might make a good method for someone who is just starting out in charcuterie or someone who might not have access to all the specialized ingredients.
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Posted: 10 December 2010 at 18:18 |
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Well, FINALLY today I got to shoot a deer...been a Very HARD Rifle Season here in PA!!
I'm going to run this by my Father-in-law and see what he says...he is stuck on the Kilbasa now and might want that instead!
I'd rather try salami and see how it comes out and know for next time if it is good to go and next time just make kilbasa, sausage, salami and bologna...but I can not see running a whole deer thru the grinder...those Tenderloins and back straps just are to dang good and tender to run into the grinder for making things like this...and then there is the Daughter, can't forget about her Jerky.,...I've said plenty of times I was going to run a whole deer thru the grinder and make nothing but burger out of it but never seemed to do it!
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Posted: 10 December 2010 at 18:29 |
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i gotta agree, woody - anyone wh runs loins and tenderloins (except the trimmings) through the grinder needs to be shot. lol - i generally prefer to keep most of the hindquarters out of the grinder too, except the trimings and maybe the sirloin. use those good, lean cuts for roasts, steaks and specialties.
the salami should be pretty good. i made ground venison "sizzlean-type" bacon and pepperoni last month and both turned out good. took pix and stuff, so i will post them hopefully this weekend.
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Posted: 11 December 2010 at 22:18 |
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I'm not going to make these in just a rolled out log...I want to stuff them in a casing of some kind....
Does anyone think muslin casings will work for the salami?
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Posted: 11 December 2010 at 22:42 |
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never tried it, but muslin should work just fine. |
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Posted: 12 December 2010 at 14:36 |
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Well, I talked it over with my Father-In-Law...
He said sounds like a good idea since it is only needing 2.5 pounds of deer meat to make it...
I'll make sure I take a few pictures and post them on the process...
Will not be till mid week or next weekend that I get it mixed up and made!
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