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gracoman 
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 Posted: 04 May 2022 at 09:18 |
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Margie, I don't think we are talking about the same thing
[/QUOTE] ........Margie, you may be using palm oil and not realize it. It is more than just a cooking oil. Palm oil is also used in the manufacture of many different products. [/QUOTE]
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Margi Cintrano
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Posted: 05 May 2022 at 11:23 |
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As mentioned I read labels for one and secondly it is ILLEGAL in the European Union, and I am a European National .. So, you are incorrect .. I also only purchase Spanish ecological products when we eat at home. So there is no palm oil in them. This is the end of this conversation .. |
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Posted: 05 May 2022 at 18:09 |
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Palm oil is used as an ingredient in many non-food related products. Palm oil is in cosmetics, shampoos (Sodium
Laureth Sulfate is palm oil), soaps, detergents, and even biodiesel. Are these products illegal in the European union? If so, I stand corrected. Please note that many products that use palm oil aren't clearly labeled. Palm oil and its derivatives can appear under many names, including: Vegetable Oil, Vegetable Fat, Palm
Kernel, Palm Kernel Oil, Palm Fruit Oil, Palmate, Palmitate, Palmolein,
Glyceryl, Stearate, Stearic Acid, Elaeis Guineensis, Palmitic Acid, Palm
Stearine, Palmitoyl Oxostearamide, Palmitoyl Tetrapeptide-3, Sodium
Laureth Sulfate, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Sodium Kernelate, Sodium Palm
Kernelate, Sodium Lauryl Lactylate/Sulphate, Hyrated Palm Glycerides,
Etyl Palmitate, Octyl Palmitate, Palmityl Alcohol
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Posted: 06 May 2022 at 06:52 |
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Fermented foods are not only fantastic for your gut biome, they will last almost indefinitely in your fridge.
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Posted: 06 May 2022 at 07:01 |
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The last time I ordered a 25lb bag of hard red winter wheat berries it was under $30.00. That was after a price increase. Today it is $55.00. Expect this to be inexpensive, if available at all, by the time October rolls around. https://www.palousebrand.com/products/hard-red-winter-wheat-berries-25-lb?variant=40135474970677 I also buy other bulk beans, lentils etc from Palouse. They are more expensive than the bulk section of your local grocery store but the products are fresher and general quality is better. https://www.palousebrand.com/collections/shop-all These products can all go into long term storage sealed in mylar bags with added oxygen absorbers.
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Posted: 08 May 2022 at 17:21 |
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https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/05/03/1096044152/how-palm-oil-prices-are-affecting-the-global-economy "The World Bank expects prices to keep rising; more than 20 percent in the coming year. The result could be catastrophic."
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Margi Cintrano
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Posted: 09 May 2022 at 09:25 |
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I shall not continue this soap opera with someone who clearly does not believe that this is illegal in The E.U. My Evoo per bottle runs between 18 - 30 € per bottle .. We only buy Top Spanish Evoo. As far as cosmetics go, I only use "ecological" products and shower products. It is like GMOs -- THERE IS AN "E.U. labelling law" that this POISON must be stated on the packaging IF IT IS GMO AND LABELLED NO GMO IF THIS IS THE CASE. The Usa is totally different in respect to labelling laws and the healthcare etcetra. Good luck and start reading labels .. Stay healthy. Those Asian countries are killing PANDAS !!! i do NOT use ASIAN ANYTHING. IT IS THE SAME WITH BUYING CANADIAN GMO WHEAT FLOUR AND FALSE PASTA OR PURCHASING ITALIAN ECOLOGICAL FLOUR AND PASTA .. The choice is YOUR´s !!! |
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Posted: 10 May 2022 at 07:29 |
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Just started a 1 gal container of 7 pounds of cabbage for fermentation sauerkraut. This is easy stuff. One only needs a glass jar, non-iodized salt and a few flavorings id desired.  |
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Posted: 10 May 2022 at 08:43 |
Margi, I understand that there is a ban on palm oil in the European Union and I understand why. Agreeing with such a ban is another story. What I can't find is information on any bans of palm oil derivatives. I suspect there is no such ban as it would be close to impossible and put the European Union at an economic disadvantage. We all know money is much more important than climate or peoples lives so I tend to believe no such palm oil derivative ban exists. |
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Posted: 10 May 2022 at 11:42 |
yum! I need to make some again soon.
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Posted: 10 May 2022 at 14:28 |
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The re-newable energy programme RED II, in The E.U. voted for the ban of Palm Oil because it is UN-SUSTAINABLE and reduces habitat for endangered species.
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Posted: 10 May 2022 at 18:16 |
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The problem with things like this is they are always political with no regard whatsoever for the people who are caught in the middle. The European gov'ts want to get reelected so they enact laws that will be popular without consequence or retribution. On the other side, Developing Nation govt's involved want to make more money so they squeeze and squeeze the local populations until they can't squeeze anymore. Its a win-win for the rich and powerful. Govt's should find solutions to these problems before enacting political laws that create more human misery. Billions of people rely on palm oil for food and emplyment. They don't have the education, or inclination to worry about healthful foods. They are busy worrying about where dinner is coming from. For many, if they don't work that day they don't eat that night. Even as cheap as palm oil is, many cannot afford it all the time Too bad about them I guess. It sucks to be poor anywhere. It really sucks to be poor in a developing nation. You are at the mercy of everyone and everything. Let them eat dirt. As long as the Western world knows panda's are happy and healthy. Solve the habitat problem first. Restrict peoples wages and food supply after proper substitutes are available.
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Posted: 10 May 2022 at 18:17 |
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Posted: 12 May 2022 at 07:39 |
It occurred to me that perhaps I should use a couple of examples to illustrate my stand on this. Arguably, one of the greatest,if not the greatest threat to climate (also unsustainable BTW) is the agribusiness of meat production. A politician who advocated for a decease in meat production, nay, a huge decrease in meat production, by making it illegal, would be committing political suicide. Such a measure would fail immediately. I don't believe we will be seeing something like this soon without coercion. Cooperation ain't gonna happen like it did with Palm oil. It hits to close to home. Over fishing of the oceans isn't illegal, for the most part. Where it is, it still happens anyway. Fish populations are being decimated. Salmon runs are shorter and smaller. Japanese whaling and sharks are still being killed for their fins. This has slowed but it still happens anyway illegal or not. Don't get me started on poultry, hog production. These agribusinesses are horrific. Sometimes entire flocks or herds are culled due to disease. There are no cute furry animals to protect here. Politics dictate it continue. People would be upset if they couldn't eat meat of some kind, and a lot of it. |
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Posted: 12 May 2022 at 17:40 |
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Baby formula? What baby formula.
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Posted: 15 May 2022 at 18:59 |
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India restricts wheat exports to preserve food security
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Posted: 16 May 2022 at 09:20 |
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Hey G-man, do you know of a reputable place online to find safe canning recipes? Especially pressure canning. I can't seem to locate my Ball Blue Book, so I've ordered a new one, but it would be nice to have an online source. I see Ball has pulled all pressure canning recipes from their website and replaced them with generic "how to pressure can" instructions. I don't really trust recipes from "bob's hillbilly prepper blog".
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Posted: 16 May 2022 at 17:58 |
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https://www.healthycanning.com/wp-content/uploads/USDA-Complete-Guide-to-Home-Canning-2015-revision.pdf |
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