"gritty" paprika?
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Topic: "gritty" paprika?
Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Subject: "gritty" paprika?
Date Posted: 21 December 2010 at 20:35
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recently, i risked my wife's ire and bought a "fancy" can of paprika (which really wasn't that fancy, but it was the pretty much the most exotic brand to be found in the immediate area). let's call this "paprika A" - it was nearly 5$:
i used it to make http://foodsoftheworld.activeboards.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=1001&title=paprika-hendl-german-hungarian-or-romanian - papriak hendl this last sunday and it was an interesting experience. this was my second attempt at the traditional transylvanian dish - the first went very well, but i was disappointed because i had to use cheaper paprika, which i thought was inferior. here is "paprika B" at 1$:

i proudly served my second attempt at paprika hendl and waited for the reviews but there was a surprise. everyone said the flavour was really good, but had the same complaint - the sauce had a "gritty" quality. after going though all the ingredients, we determined that could only have been the paprika. i got both brands of paprika to compare them. it seemed that both brands came from the same place (they both came from within 10 miles of each other in new jersey, and both had a very similar aroma tat was rich and deep. brand A seemed like it might ahve been just a little darker in colour, but brand B was ground much finer. all things being essentially equal, it came down to the fact that after doing the "fingertip-taste-test," brand A was definitely gritty, while brand B was powder-fine. the beautiful mrs. tas looked at me with a bit of mirth in her eyes and said soemthing to the effect of, "see, i told you that you didn't need any of that fancy stuff." in this case, i must say that she may have been correct.
so my question is: is this grittiness desireable in paprika? because it seemed to me that it really took away from the experience.
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Posted By: Boilermaker
Date Posted: 21 December 2010 at 20:46
Hmm...
Have never experienced grittiness in paprika. Could it possibly be attributable to one of the other ingredients? I have to say that I generally do not care for those dollar store type spices like the cheaper one you mentioned. I buy most of mine from either http://www.mildbills.com - http://www.mildbills.com or http://www.penzeys.com - http://www.penzeys.com . Buy in bulk, store in the freezer, and you will find that the higher quality spices and herbs such as those offered by Mild Bill's or Penzey's are actually less costly than what you can buy at the local market.
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 21 December 2010 at 21:24
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i agree about buying in bulk and the savings, andy - trouble is, i've got a wife who takes a different philosophical approach when it comes to shoping!
the grittiness was definitely the paprika. the other ingedients (flour, sea salt and ground black pepper) were measured in mere teaspoons, while the paprila content, according to the recipe, was 8 tablespoons. plus, i tried both paprilas on their own. the cheap one was ground very fine, almost like powder, and had no grittiness at all. the more expensive one was more coarsley ground and seemed a bit darker, but in tasting it alone there was definite and unmistakable grittiness. both had nearly identical aroma, which was really darn good - also the actual taste of both was good as well, considering they were not true hungarian paprikas from finer sources. considering that both come from companies 10 miles from each other, i wouldn't be surprised if they came from the same supplier. the only other real difference was that the more expensivce one seemed a bit darker, but not by much.
could have simply been a bad batch or lot maybe.
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Posted By: Hoser
Date Posted: 22 December 2010 at 04:52
It certainly can be the paprika Ron, especially when it's used in rather large quantities. I remember reading about how the true Hungarian cooks actually make a "paprika cream" and use it rather than the dry spice. I'm going to go look for that article and post it when I find it.
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Posted By: Hoser
Date Posted: 22 December 2010 at 04:56
I think this addresses the problem quite well Ron
Real Hungarian Beef Stew
Published November 1, 2008.
Stews overloaded with vegetables and sour cream give goulash a bad name. We wanted to set the record straight.
The Problem
The gussied-up versions of Hungarian goulash served in the United
States bear little resemblance to the authentic dish. Sour cream has no
place in the pot, nor do mushrooms, green peppers, or most herbs. Least
welcome of all are ketchup and Worcestershire sauce—standard ingredients
in some renditions. More important, how do you infuse intense paprika
flavor without creating a stew that’s so gritty, it’s as if you dumped a
handful of sand into the pot.
The Goal
Traditional Hungarian goulash is the humblest of stews and we
wanted the real deal—a simple dish of tender braised beef packed with
paprika flavor.
The Solution
We wanted to keep the focus on the meat and the paprika. To
achieve the desired level of spicy intensity, some recipes call for as
much as half a cup of paprika per three pounds of meat, but with that
much fine spice, the dish took on a gritty, dusty texture. After
consulting chefs at a few Hungarian restaurants, we were introduced to http://www.theredpaprika.com/clientPage.php?page=departments&department=Paprika -
paprika cream , a condiment that’s as common in Hungarian cooking as the
dried spice. This convenience product was great, but almost impossible
to find. Instead, we created our own quick version by pureeing dried
paprika with roasted red peppers and a little tomato paste and vinegar.
This imparted vibrant paprika flavor without any offensive grittiness.
As for the meat, after settling on chuck-eye roast, we bought a whole
roast and cut it ourselves into uniform, large pieces to ensure even
cooking. Since searing the meat first—normally standard stew
protocol—competed with the paprika’s brightness, we referred back to a
trend we noticed in the hundreds of goulash recipes gathered during
research: Skipping the sear. We tried this, softening the onions in the
pot first, adding paprika paste, carrots, and then meat before placing
the covered pot in the oven. Sure enough, the onions and meat provided
enough liquid to stew the meat and the bits of beef that cooked above
the liquid line browned in the hot air. A bit of broth added near the
end of cooking thinned out the stewing liquid and made it more
saucelike.
list of recipes
- http://www.cooksillustrated.com/recipes/detail.asp?docid=17641 - Hungarian Beef Stew
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22 December 2010 at 06:42
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Ron, the grittiness in my experience is definitely the paprika, and I've noted it from several different brands, both low-end and high-end. The key, I think is to experiement with different brands until you find a nice fine smooth one you like and stick to it. The Hungarian one I buy here is around $3 a can and is very good and finely ground- no grittiness at all.
Got to agree with Dave's post above, skip the Spanish paprikas for Hungarian dishes, they really skew the flavor.
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 23 December 2010 at 14:18
so reading and thinking some more on this, does it mean that we need to wait until the "simmering"stages for dishes like http://foodsoftheworld.activeboards.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=70&title=borsos-tokny - Borsos Tokány or http://foodsoftheworld.activeboards.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=972&title=paprika-hendl - Paprika Hendl ? i was reading in the hungarian section of Time/Life's FOTW series and i saw a few references there to removing the pan/pot/skillet from the heat when adding paprika to onions or seared meat without any liquid. any thoughts?
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23 December 2010 at 14:43
I add half the paprika as called for in the recipe (paprika hendl) right after caramelizing the onions, but remove the pot from the heat when I do so and let the residual heat mix and "cook" it slightly. Much heat and it will toast the paprika and make it bitter. Apparently that is the proper method to do so, and I can vouch for it since I have ruined a pot or two of hendl back in the day!
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 23 December 2010 at 14:55
sounds good to me. i'd also like to try some of this paprika cream/paste. i know i have seen it before but it looks just as easy (and probably better) to make it.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23 December 2010 at 15:16
That tube looks pretty much like the tube of Harissa paste I got in the european market for some Morroccan recipes. I still haven't used it yet...I gotta get cracking.
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Posted By: Percebes
Date Posted: 20 March 2016 at 10:45
My Hungarian visitors gifted me some Paprika Krem and 2 types of Guylas Krem Paprika Krem is more like tomato paste in texture. Both types of Guylas Krem is very smooth and extremely salty. The Csipos is spicy.
    
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 21 March 2016 at 19:16
Now that is some neat stuff - I am guessing it might be related to the red pepper paste from http://foodsoftheworld.activeboards.net/ottoman-cuisinean-introduction_topic4606.html - Brook's thread on Ottoman Cuisine ?
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