My secret flavoring agents... tweaked vinegars
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Topic: My secret flavoring agents... tweaked vinegars
Posted By: ChrisFlanders
Subject: My secret flavoring agents... tweaked vinegars
Date Posted: 08 March 2012 at 05:55
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There are lot of things you can use as a "flavoring agent". I've seen people making flavored oils and I made many of those too. Sadly enough they don't keep and by experience, they are always a bit suspicious in my eyes; are they still good or not? So I stopped flavoring oils unless they are used immediately and ristricted my "secret flavoring agents" to making flavored vinegars.
Always use the vinegars sparingly, merely a few drops will do wonders, not only for tweaking the taste, but also for correcting the balance in dishes. It will take many dishes to another level.
Nothing fancy procedures, just plain good natural white vinegar in which I macerate stuff. They keep forever and get better the longer they are stored away!
Tarragon vinegar; Let's begin with tarragon. When it fully starts to grow, cut off a lot of branches, pour some vinegar out of the bottle and put the branches in the bottle, using the handle of a wooden spoon. Put as much in as you can. Now, put the bottle away for at least a year! The picture below was taken past year and as you can see, the tarragon bottle I just started to use dated from... 2002! The vinegar has lost the harshness but kept all tarragon flavor. This stuff is used to make béarnaise sauces, to sprinkle on a simple tomato salad (delicious!), to make mayonaise and in lots of sauces and jus. Simply a must have!
Then I tried out other stuff; elderflower blossoms, rose petals, purple basil.
A little different procedure than tarragon vinegar. I cut the blossoms from the flower"umbrella" of the elderflower and put them loosely in a large pharmacists glass jar and cover with vinegar. In another glass jar go the rose petals (I use rosa rugosa picked in the wild), and the leaves of purple basil in another jar. Note; green basis doesn't work well. I leave these blossoms, petals and leaves in their respective jars to macerate for up to two months, then sieve and put in small bottles; look at the color!
Elderflower blossom vinegar; fantastic when used in couscous, fish dishes, when blanching vegetables, a real "waaw" effect in many creamy sauces.
Rose petal vinegar; couscous and all other oriental inspired dishes
Purple basil vinegar; any preparation with tomato like tomato sauces but also in meat sauces and jus from pork roast etc.
A nice label made with Coreldraw and they also get in the cellar. You can start to use these vinegars immediately. Also, ...nice gift to cooking friends!!!


I also tried to make vinegar flavored with common green basil; however, it's a waste of time. Purple basil works best!
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Posted By: HistoricFoodie
Date Posted: 08 March 2012 at 07:14
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Great minds run in the same channels, Chris. Based on the discussion about tarrago on another thread I've bee thinking about an herbal vinegar post.
One flavor we tend to not think of is chive. I never had until last year. We're about to enter the chive season, so it's a good time to talk about it.
What you use for chive vinegar is the flowers. You fill the jar with them, pour in the vinegar, and you're set to go. With this one you want to wait a few days, so the color leaches into the vinegar. You wind up with a lovely purple vinegar, with a hint of oniony flavor from the chives.
One general comment: If all you're interested in is the herbal flavor there's no reason not to use other vinegars. Apple cider, red- and white-wine vinegar, etc. can all be enhanced by the addition of herbs. What you lose, however, is the visual impact. For that, plain white works best.
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Posted By: ChrisFlanders
Date Posted: 09 March 2012 at 04:23
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I should have mentioned that the tarragon flavored vinegar is by no means something I came up with. It's been used all over France and my country since eternity. It's always stored with the tarragon branches still in the bottle.
@Brook; I tested a lot of flavored vinegar variations, but I now ristrict myself to the more or less exotic ones like I mentioned above. However, can't stop experimenting, last year I made a combined batch with dille and an entire small horse radish root. Very nice in the poaching liquid of salmon and other fish!!
I haven't tried chives, but I was thinking to try of what we call "daslook" (translated badger garlic), if I'm not mistaken you call it "ramps". Could also be something interesting.
I'm certainly going to try lovage which we also call "Maggi herb" (Maggi refers to the cubes) which tastes incredibly strong like celery. It's impossible to dry but I keep some lovage leaves in my freezer, that works very well. A few lovage leaves in steamed mussels... heaven!
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 12 March 2012 at 10:32
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i have never tried this, but growing my own herbs, i really should. will see how it goes this year.
chris, thanks for this comment right here:
>>>merely a few drops will do wonders, not only for tweaking the taste, but also for correcting the balance in dishes. It will take many dishes to another level.<<<
this concept has never occurred to me, but of course it makes sense, and gives me another reason to try this - thank you!
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Posted By: ChrisFlanders
Date Posted: 18 March 2012 at 05:01
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Here's a simple dish that undergoes an incredible change in taste, using vinegar and a little sugar. Nowadays you can buy precooked beetroot that's easy to work with. Of course you can boil your own if you like. Peel and cut the cooked beetroot in small cubes. Add red onion slices, a good sprinkle of ajowan (=lovage seeds, ethnic stores) which taste like a softer version of thyme, a pinch of chili flakes, a tbsp of tarragon vinegar or another vinegar mentioned above, a good sprinkle of sugar (1 teaspoon to start), s&p. You can tweak the balance by adding more vinegar and sugar. Beetroot has never been that alive!

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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 19 March 2012 at 08:36
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chris, this looks similar to some pickled beets that i made last autumn:
http://foodsoftheworld.activeboards.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=1480&title=pickled-beets - http://foodsoftheworld.activeboards.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=1480&title=pickled-beets
these turned out really well, and i am thinking they can even be improved by incorporating some of your methods, including the onion and tarragon vinegar.
thanks for sharing!
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Posted By: HistoricFoodie
Date Posted: 19 March 2012 at 08:47
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Plus, Ron, the ones you made are ideal for making Amish Red Beet Eggs, which can be another use of flavored vinegars:
12 eggs, boiled and peeled
1/2 cup brown sugar
1/2 cup granulated sugar
1/2 tsp salt
1/4 cup water
3/4 cups vinegar
1 quart canned red beets and juice
Mix the brown sugar, granulated sugar, salt, water and vinegar in a saucepan and heat until the sugars dissovle, strirring occasioally. Add the beets and their juice to the mixture and pour over the peeled eggs. Refrigerate at least 12 hours.
You may have to turn the eggs, from time to time, to assure even color.
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Posted By: ChrisFlanders
Date Posted: 28 May 2012 at 06:46
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And some updating, it's fourraging time!
1. Vinegar
Now is the very best time to make elderblossom vinegar!!!
The "umbrellas" of flowers just come out and they smell fantastic. Just pick some and add to a plain white vinegar. Use some good quality vinegar. I use a pair of scissors to cut the flowers from their umbrella at 1/2 inch from the top, you don't need to measure, just cut at the height you want. Put the flower part you just cut off in the vinegar and set in the sun for a few weeks; 4-6 weeks, it's not important. Shake from time to time. You will be so pleased to have your very own unreal flowery and fruity tasting vinegar. So simple to make, incredible taste for use on salads, couscous, mayo, vinaigrettes...

2. Elderflowerbuds capers
I've seen this done by one of those new young inspired chefs that go fourraging in the wild. Something I had to try. Pick the buds just before they open, take the buds from the "umbrellas" (I used... a comb!) and add to a 6% vinegar. Store away for 5 weeks at the least. There you go, your own very special tiny capers. A little warning; it's an insane bit of work and your kitchenfloor is covered with tiny flowerbuds... it may well be my first and only try!



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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 28 May 2012 at 14:18
Would that work with dill heads/flowers too?
About the chive vinegar- do you put the flower heads in whole, or pick the little individual blossoms off?
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Posted By: HistoricFoodie
Date Posted: 28 May 2012 at 16:31
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The dill flowers, per se, aren't really big enough to play with, Melissa. Try just putting the complete umbrels in the vinegar. Works just as well, and looks pretty.
With the chive vinegar we use the complete flowers. Being as they'll be strained out anyway, no sense trying to separate the blossoms. Only takes about a week to leech out the color and the oniony aroma.
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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 28 May 2012 at 18:13
Thanks! Mine are at peak bloom right now. Maybe a little past, but I hope there will still be some good ones left tomorrow.
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Posted By: ChrisFlanders
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 04:43
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Melissa, I have to count on Brook on how to use dille. That herb just won't grow in my garden. However, I experimented with lots of other herbs to make flavoured vinegars. It just takes some of your time and a bottle of vinegar, not such a big expense for try-outs. And, it's always exciting to see how it comes along, the color changing, the aroma... and last but not least the satisfaction of having captured such wonderfull taste and aroma, ready to be used in so many dishes.
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Posted By: HistoricFoodie
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 05:19
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I vote with Chris on this. Vinegar is cheap, so leaves lots of room for experimenting.
Virtually any herb can be used to create a flavored vinegar (technically, they're called "acetums"). Whether the flavor and color is appealing is merely a personal taste thing.
Among the herbal vinegars I've made are chive (of course), tarragon, tyme and basil, (which I don't recommend). Others, like dill, have been used to flavor pickling brines.
Nor do you need confine yourself to herbs. Chilies in vinegar, for instance, produce a hot condiment many find appealing. (a variation on that theme, btw, is to use Sherry instead of vinegar)
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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 15:40
Well, I now have a jar of chive flowers steeping in vinegar. Thanks for the suggestion!
The only other things I've got growing right now are mint and lavender. Don't know how they'd be in vinegar.
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Posted By: AK1
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 19:39
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I think that the mint would work well,
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Posted By: ChrisFlanders
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 05:58
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Melissa, whatever you try with mint, do not use the flowers! They taste very bad!!! Only the leaves are usable. I had the experience in making tincture with mint flowers and some research confirmed that mint flowers are very bitter! I haven't made vinegar yet from mint leaves, but I guess it's very possible.
However, I make a syrup with 50/50 water and sugar, let it boil for a while, take from the heat, add a good handfull of mint leaves only (no flowers as said!) and let them infuse until the liquid has cooled entirely. Sieve and cool in the fridge. Fantastic on strawberries, fresh pine apple (yummmm...), vanilla icecream etc.
You can reduce the syrup on the fire and freeze in small containers for later...
Edit; add some fresh lemonjuice to this syrup to give it more depth.
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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 15:37
Sounds delicious!
I wonder what mint vinegar would be good with. Peas?
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Posted By: ChrisFlanders
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 05:14
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I forgot to mention you need some lemonjuice in the mint syrup I posted earlier, Melissa.
The syrup keeps amost 2 weeks in the refrigerator. I always make small batches and very little to freeze for use in wintertime.
Where can you use mint vinegar? After a lot of experiments, I ristricted my own collection of vinegar to the ones I use frequently. Mint vinegar is one of those examples where you could ask yourself if it's worth making it. There's a very limites number of dishes in which you could use it.
You can make a lot of flavoured vinegars that are going to be used a lot more; like vinegars infused with whole small young branches of rosemary (delicious in any tomato sauce!), branches of tarragon, wild rose petals, branches of dille, elderflower blossom (my favorite), etc. When using branches, simply wash them, pour some vinegar out of the bottle and push the branches in the remaining vinegar, using the handle of a wooden spoon. Put as many in as you can. Store away like that until needed. I have vinegars over 10 years old with tarragon leaves still in the bottle! Those old vinegars lose much acidic harshness but the aroma of the tarragon is quite strong and delicious.
If I were you, I would certainly make something similar using dille branches. I can't grow it, but it should be perfect in all fish dishes and many others.
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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 15:55
I can think of multiple uses for dill vinegar.I may even have some dill growing. :crosses fingers:
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Posted By: HistoricFoodie
Date Posted: 31 May 2012 at 19:28
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One addition to Chris' comments, Melissa. It is important that the herbs stay submerged in the vinegar.
Some of them do have a tendency to float. What you can do, in those cases, is to make a plug out of parsley, and jam it into the neck of the bottle. Keep the level of the vinegar above the parsley, though.
Although the parsley probably is adding it's own flavor to the mix, it is so mild that the primary herb overpowers it. If you're using tarragon sprigs, for instance, you will get tarragon vinegar.
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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 01 June 2012 at 16:46
Thanks! I think I've got it full to the top.
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Posted By: africanmeat
Date Posted: 02 June 2012 at 03:03
Wow what a great idea thanks for sharing it with us.
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Posted By: Addtotaste
Date Posted: 02 June 2012 at 03:16
Berry vinegars are very popular here. Strawberry balsamic is one of my favourites. A tablespoon in a strawberry smoothie takes it to the next level
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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 10 June 2012 at 05:18
No picture yet, but the chive vinegar is beautiful. What color! Now, what to do with it...
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Posted By: HistoricFoodie
Date Posted: 10 June 2012 at 16:12
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Sure, the color is the first thing that hits you. But the second thing is the aroma; that beautiful, slightly oniony smell should provide clues as to what to do with it.
First off, use it in salad dressings. Even a plain oil & vinegar dressing explodes in a new flavor profile.
Then, think about anything you might add vinegar to, and ask yourself how it would be effected by the subtle onion flavor of this one. And go to it. Elsewhere, for instance, I posted about wilted lettuce salad. We use it there instead of plain vinegar. It provides an additional wow to cooked greens of all kinds as well.
Try it when you make pickles. We make pickled radishes, for example, using a recipe we adapted from the 18th century. Using chive vinegar brings it to a whole new level.
And, of course, we use it for gifts. Fancy bottles such as Chris uses, or small cruets with tight-sealing plugs, are best for this. You can recycle such bottles from things you buy, purchase new ones, or haunt the flea markets and antiques malls. For mere pennies you amass a collection of really nice containers.
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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 10 June 2012 at 17:26
I was thinking of pickling a Vidalia onion with it. I wish my chives hadn't dried up already, so I could make more.
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Posted By: HistoricFoodie
Date Posted: 10 June 2012 at 18:52
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Onion flavor on onion flavor might be a bit much. But the color certainly would be spectacular.
I was in the same situation last year. By the time I found out about making this vinegar the chives were all but done flowering. This year we made a point of harvesting every blossom we could. Wound up with two gallons of the stuff. 
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Posted By: ChrisFlanders
Date Posted: 11 June 2012 at 04:14
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Dishes where the sweet/sour balance isn't right will benefit from a few drops of your vinegar, Melissa; tomato sauces, all kind of stews and braised dishes, poaching liquid for fish, in the cooking water of vegetables like cauliflower and carrots etc. It's a matter of being aware of the sweet/sour balance in food. I always taste before serving dishes like that and check for salt, pepper... and acidity. Thing is, just a few drops will lift many dishes to a higher level; flavours will remain much longer in your mouth! Also, in case of adding some vinegar to the cooking water of delicate vegetables like cauliflower, it will keep the cauliflower nicely white.
Raw tomatoes and cooked beet root benefit from just a little vinegar and no oil. Beet root can have quite a bit of vinegar to balance, tomatoes just a little.
And of course, like Brook already mentioned, there's also the vinaigrettes, basically 2-3 parts oil, 1 part vinegar plus your own additions like herbs and seasoning. In one of the first cookbooks written by Gordon Ramsay, I read that he keeps a basic vinaigrette always ready to add a little to sauteed vegetables. For instance; boil green beans, refresh, sweat a chopped shallot in butter, add beans, seasoning and just a few drops of vinaigrette. It's nice to learn that cheffy way of dashing vinegar in a preparation; keep your thumb on the opening of the bottle and let just a few drops at a time pass through. Remember you can always add but never get it out of a preparation.
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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 11 June 2012 at 18:56
I love making vinaigrettes That was my default idea.
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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 14 June 2012 at 18:27
It's very good with cauliflower.
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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 17 June 2012 at 15:36
My chive vinegar:
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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 04 July 2012 at 07:41
I sealed some peeled, sliced raw kohlrabi and a slosh of the chive vinegar in a plastic bag and left it in the fridge overnight. The result is crisp and refreshing, and makes me think of mild pickled radish.
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Posted By: HistoricFoodie
Date Posted: 04 July 2012 at 14:03
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Sounds great, Melissa. We'll definately give that a try!
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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 22 June 2013 at 11:56
Here's this year's chive-flower vinegar. I let it steep twice as long, and it got really intense. (Scroll up to compare with last year's!)
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Posted By: HistoricFoodie
Date Posted: 22 June 2013 at 15:30
Great shot, Melissa. You really captured the color of the vinegar.
At the recent 18th century trade fair at Fort Boonesborough, chive was the most popular of our herbal vinegars. In fact, we sold out of it.
I believe it's because it's so unusual, and not something you'll find in the local market, that led to its appeal.
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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 22 June 2013 at 19:38
Thanks! I'd never heard of it until this thread, but it's fun to make.
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Posted By: Margi Cintrano
Date Posted: 23 June 2013 at 06:22
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Thank you Melissa. Certainly a lovely idea. Have lovely Sunday, Margaux.
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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 20 July 2013 at 08:37
Just decanted my first-ever batch of dill vinegar. It's pale gold and smells like pickles.
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 22 July 2013 at 09:04
I'm glad it worked well, Melissa ~ this is one of those things that I'd like to try, along with some flavoured oils - a chile oil is at the top of my list, as is annato oil.
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 24 August 2018 at 10:18
I'm brining this back up to the top, based on some recent sources that I've been reading using it.
I glanced through the thread but didn't see it mentioned anywhere: Where should one start when considering how "strong" to make the herbed vinegar? Is there a certain minimum (or maximum) of herb that should be used to make it? Using tarragon as an example, is there an ideal number of sprigs per volume of vinegar, and a point when too much is too much?
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Posted By: HistoricFoodie
Date Posted: 24 August 2018 at 11:55
Interesting point, Ron. But I don't think you can use too much herb.
What we do is eyeball the herbs, as we fit them into the bottles. Add the vinegar, and Bob's yer uncle.
Keep in mind, too, that, for awhile at least, you'll be replacing the vinegar as you use it. So there's always about the same level of flavor.
That's our experience, anyway.
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 24 August 2018 at 12:08
Sounds good, Brook - thanks!
I'll probably get a 16- or 24ish-ounce jar, to start with. I'll see what herbs I have available, and go from thee. I'd like to do tarragon, as it seems to be very traditional, but am open to just about anything.
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Posted By: HistoricFoodie
Date Posted: 24 August 2018 at 22:18
Almost any fresh herb will do, Ron. Friend Wife has 4 she uses regularly for her commercial sales: Tarragon, thyme, rosemary, and, of course, chives. She doesn't offer it for sale, but she does one using red chilies, special for myself and some of our friends.
Frankly, when it comes to using chilies, I prefer steeping them in Sherry to the vinegar. But that's just me.
She offers two sizes: 8- and 16-ounce square bottles that neck down to round. What she does is add a bunch of herbs equal to the mouth of the neck, without compressing them too much. This seems to be the perfect amount.
FWIW, unless you use a whole lot of one kind, 16-oz is a rather large size, imo.
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Posted By: Melissa Mead
Date Posted: 25 August 2018 at 12:28
When I make chive-flower vinegar, I use as many chive heads as can fit loosely in the jar. Same with dill.
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