Foods done Oddly - a venture into Molecular Gastro
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Topic: Foods done Oddly - a venture into Molecular Gastro
Posted By: gonefishin
Subject: Foods done Oddly - a venture into Molecular Gastro
Date Posted: 20 March 2013 at 13:44
Hi All!
I have just been venturing into the world of Molecular Gastronomy. It's an odd world of flavors done lightly, intensified, separate and combined into new forms. I basically have little experience with this stuff, but I'm intrigued about the possibilities...and have just gotten some of the "tools" to start making my food...well, different.
Is there anyone else here who has experience into this strange world?
Love to hear your stories and see your creations!
Dan
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 20 March 2013 at 13:49
MALTODEXTRIN http://molecule-r.com/en/content/32-maltodextrin" rel="nofollow -
Function
Maltodextrin is an unsweet sugar that can be flavored in many
different ways and then sprinkled over any dish; there are endless
possibilities in molecular gastronomy!
Origin
Maltodextrins are polysaccharides, which is to say, sugars. They are
obtained through partial hydrolysis (or decomposition) of corn, wheat,
potato or tapioca starch. In order to understand what maltodextrins are,
one needs to understand how sugar is made from a molecular standpoint.
The most simple sugar molecules, those directely assimilable by our
body, are either called glucose molecules or dextrose molecules. They
are obtained through the enzimatic decomposition of longuer sugar
molecule chains, as it is the case during the digestive process. The
indicator used to measure the hydrolysis degree of sugars is called
‘Dextrose Equivalent’ (DE). DE ranges from 0 to 100 where 0 corresponds
to untransformed starch and 100 corresponds to simple dextrose
molecules, which is to say, entirely hydrolysed sugar. On this scale,
refined sugar of the type generally used in the kitchen occupies the 92
to 99 range. Syrups, such as corn syrup, have a DE between 20 and 91.
Maltodextrins have a DE below 20, which is to say that they range
between starch and syrups.
During the digestive process, maltodextrins are broken down into
simple dextrose (or glucose) molecules so that they can be assimilated
by the body.
For the industrial production of maltodextrins, starch hydrolysis is
achieved through a solution containing enzymes. When the desired degree
of hydrolysis is reached, enzymes are neutralysed by the addition of
sulfites to the solution. The solution is then purified in order to keep
only the maltodextrin, which is then dried.
Properties
Even though maltrodextrin is a sugar, it’s taste is only slightly
sweet, and it is odorless. Maltodextrin dissolves easily into water, can
absorbs a good quantity of oil and is easily digestible, among other
properties. Moreover, it can be treated so that it can be used as an
encapsulating or swelling agent.
Industry applications
Maltodextrin is a significant part of the content of powdered energy
drinks used by athletes. It is also often used as filler in manufactured
foods. Furthermore, its properties make it an excellent aroma carrier.
This is mainly how it is used in creative cooking.
Maltodextrine is also a frequent excipient (non active agent) in
pharmacology: it is used in the making of many drugs to which it
provides desired properties such as taste, shape or solubility.
Creative cooking applications
Maltodextrin is mostly used in creative cooking as an aroma carrier.
When a good quantity of maltodextrin is mixed with fatty ingredients
such as hazelnut oil, bacon fat or melted chocolate for example, the
maltodextrin absorbs this ingredient while retaining it’s powdered form.
The result is a whole range of tasty powders that can be sprinkled over
food preparations and dishes.
By varying proportions of maltodextrin and chosen ingredient, and by
mixing less, tasty maltodextrin « chunks » can be made. Since
maltodextrin is a sugar, the chunks can then be heated up in a pan in
order to caramelize their exterior and make them crunchy.
Tips and tricks
Maltodextrin can be mixed with gelling agents in order to facilitate
their dispersion in liquids. Gelatin soluble in cold water can thus be
mixed with maltodextrin instead of powdered sugar so that the same
solubility is reached with minimal added sweetness.
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 20 March 2013 at 13:52
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I'm afraid I have no real experience to share, Dan - but I am interested in reading the replies. The only thing I've done that even comes close (and I don't think this really counts) is when I glued two deer roasts together in order to make http://foodsoftheworld.activeboards.net/bresaola-di-cervo_topic3263.html" rel="nofollow - bresaola di cervo :
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This is a pretty far cry from what you describe in your opening post, but it's the closest thing I have.
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 20 March 2013 at 13:53
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Converting High-fat Liquids into Powder http://www.molecularrecipes.com/techniques/converting-high-fat-liquids-powder/" rel="nofollow - by http://www.molecularrecipes.com
Another technique of http://www.molecularrecipes.com/molecular-gastronomy/" rel="nofollow - molecular gastronomy
chefs is to convert liquids with high fat content into powder using a
specific type of Tapioca Maltodextrin called N-Zorbit M. This type of
Tapioca Maltodextrin is derived from tapioca that has been specially
designed to have a very low bulk density. It is very light, so be
careful when you open the recipient with the Maltodextrin or your
kitchen will end up covered in white powder.
Tapioca Maltodextrin is used in the food industry to increase the
volume of dry mixes and frozen foods. It is moderately sweet or almost
flavorless. In molecular gastronomy, Tapioca Maltodextrin is used to
stabilize high fat ingredients which can then be transformed into
powders. This technique is very easy and will definitely surprise your
diners. It is a great way of transforming regular ingredients from
liquid or solid into powder to add a new dimension to your dish. The
powder melts in your mouth as soon as it gets in contact with your tongue. The sensation is pretty cool.

The process of converting a high-fat liquid into powder is very
simple. The high fat ingredient should be liquefied first if it is
solid, chilled and then mixed with Tapioca Maltodextrin using a starting
ratio of 60% fat to 40% Tapioca Maltodextrin. More Tapioca Maltodextrin
should be added if necessary. To make the powder fluffier, it is then
usually passed through a tamis.
These are some example of powders created by molecular gastronomy chefs:
http://www.molecularrecipes.com/transformation/olive-oil-powder/" rel="nofollow - Olive Oil Powder
http://www.molecularrecipes.com/transformation/dry-caramel-salt/" rel="nofollow - Caramel Powder
Nutella Powder
Coconut oil Powder
Bacon Powder
Peanut Butter Powder
White Chocolate Powder
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 20 March 2013 at 14:10
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I've seen this used on a few of the "foodie" competition shows lately, and find it pretty interesting.
I wonder how a "pil-pil powder" would be received? It would certainly change the traditional look of the dish, but perhaps in a good way. That, and/or perhaps chile-and-garlic "caviar" similar to the beer caviar you made during your recent attempt:
http://foodsoftheworld.activeboards.net/the-magic-of-basque-cod-pil-pil_topic3009_post21941.html#21941" rel="nofollow - http://foodsoftheworld.activeboards.net/the-magic-of-basque-cod-pil-pil_topic3009_post21941.html#21941
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 20 March 2013 at 14:29
Here's a few examples from my friends house...

Reverse frozen Spherification (thin gel with liquid center). This is Sparkling grape juice with carbonated sugar (like pop rocks)


Smoked Salmon with Mango Cilantro Caviar.

Malto, discussed above

Slice of Apple with Peanut Butter Powder

Peanut Butter Powder and Chocolate Powder together - peanut butter cup

This was the homemade lobster ravioli in a Vietnamese broth with Sriracha Caviar. These little things can not only provide a nice texture, but they can provide a big flavor pop as well (depending on what you use)

Zombie Dust is an IPA from 3Floyds brewery. Zombie Dust Caviar

Making the Zombie Dust Caviar

Some salt cod with Zombie Dust Caviar on top
That's just a few for now 
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 20 March 2013 at 14:32
TasunkaWitko wrote:
I've seen this used on a few of the "foodie" competition shows lately, and find it pretty interesting.
I wonder how a "pil-pil powder" would be received? It would certainly change the traditional look of the dish, but perhaps in a good way. That, and/or perhaps chile-and-garlic "caviar" similar to the beer caviar you made during your recent attempt:
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You've got the idea Tas!

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Posted By: Margi Cintrano
Date Posted: 20 March 2013 at 14:40
Dan. Awesome thread. Though I have not delved into Molecular Gastronomy personally; I had eaten in The Adria Brothers El Bulli prior to its closing 31 july 2011 and in numerous other restaurants employing these techniques .. Albert Adria .. Joan Roca .. Carme Ruscadella .. Quique Dacosta y Paco Roncero in Iberia.
In Manhattan, Wylie Defresne' WD and Tom Keller's Per Se. In DC Jose Andres Tapas Bar ..
Great thread Keep us posted at Fotw.
Margaux
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 20 March 2013 at 17:05
It's kind of neat, Margi. It's like what a nice brunoise can add to the texture of a dish, or when you play with temperature differences on a plate. It can just add that something extra to the flavors and textures of a dish.
You really have eaten at some of the nicest restaurants in the world from many of the most respected chefs of the world. It's really quite impressive. I had hoped to someday eat at el Bulli, though his brothers place will certainly do...someday 
Have a great day!
Dan
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 21 March 2013 at 13:02
Making Cold Oil Spherification "Caviar" can provide that nice texture and pop of flavor. With this method the entire "ball" is gel (no liquid center, that's a different technique). You can pick all kinds of different ingredients to treat like this with good results.
You can use things like Balsamic Vinegar, Hot sauce, etc...or you can use fresh fruit, fresh herbs...etc...etc. While sometimes you may be going after texture alone, most times big bold flavors are your friend! But, your imagination is the only limiting factor here!
All you need for this is some cold oil (canola does fine), a Bbq Syringe, Some Agar and a Small Slotted Spoon.
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 21 March 2013 at 13:03
AGAR-AGAR http://molecule-r.com/en/content/25-agar-agar" rel="nofollow -
Function
An algae extracted, heat-resistant gelling agent, agar-agar is used
in molecular gastronomy to make all sorts of gelified shapes : pearls,
spaghetti, lentils, prisms, etc.
Origin
Agar-agar is a natural gelling substance stemming from the cell walls of red algae, of the gelidiacees family, like gelidium and gracialaria.
It has long been used in several Asian culinary traditions. Moreover,
the name agar-agar is of Malay-Indonesian origin and means jelly. A
Japanese legend tells that the original manufacturing process of the
agar-agar was discovered in the mid-seventeenth century. One winter
evening, a Japanese officer would have been offered a traditional dish
of jelly concocted from gelidium seaweed boiled in water, by the owner
of a small inn. After dinner, the innkeeper would have thrown the
remnants of jelly outside. Within a few days and after several cycles of
freezing, thawing and drying in the sun, a white substance seems to
have appeared which the landlord would have collected and boiled. He
would have obtained a gelatin whiter than the original and whose texture
in the mouth would have pleased the Japanese ever since. The same
process of freezing and thawing is still used today, on a large scale,
to extract and purify the agar-agar of the seaweed from which it
originates.
Properties
Agar-agar is used for its gelling capabilities and the unique
properties of the gels obtained by it. Gelling occurs when a solution of
agar-agar has cooled in a liquid that was previously brought to a boil.
Depending on the species of algae used, gel formation will take place
at temperatures between 32°C and 43°C. (90°F and 110°F).
The agar-agar gel will retain its firmness even when subjected to
temperatures grazing 85°C (185°F), unlike gel-based gelatin, which melts
at 37°C (99°F). This wide gap between the temperature at which a gel is
formed and the temperature at which it melts is unique.
Agar-agar does not impart flavor or smell to mixtures; it actually
promotes the release of other aromas in the mouth. It is usually used in
very low dosage, since gelling is evident at levels of concentration of
agar-agar below 1%. The firmness of the gel is directly proportional to
the concentration of agar-agar used in a dish. The weaker the dosage of
agar-agar, the more supple and fragile the gel will be; the stronger
the dosage, the more firm and brittle the gel will be.
Industry applications
The remarkable heat resistance of agar-agar gels make them excellent
stabilizers and thickeners in pie fillings, icings and meringues. This
same property is a tremendous asset to the transportation of goods, by
allowing greater flexibility in controlling the temperature.
In combination with other vegetable gums, agar-agar may act as a
stabilizer in sorbets and ice cream, as well as to improve the texture
of dairy products like yogurt and cream cheese. The gelling properties
of agar-agar are also used in the preparation of fruit confectionery
which are particularly popular in Asia.
About 90% of the production of agar-agar is thus directed towards the
food processing industry; the remainder is mainly used in the health
field. Agar-agar gel is used as bacterial growth gel in Petri dishes,
from microbiology laboratories around the world. In addition, agar-agar
is used in dentistry as a material for moulding the teeth. These are
just some of the many uses of agar-agar.
Creative cooking applications
Agar-agar is one of the flagship additives of molecular gastronomy.
It is used to make dishes with unusual shapes and textures such as
pearls and spaghetti gels. There is simply to dissolve the powdered
agar-agar in a boiling aqueous liquid, then let it set while cooling,
using various techniques. It is also incorporated into preparations
using a food siphon to produce very light foams.
Agar-agar preparations are heat resistant, thereby making it possible to serve hot foams and gels.
Healthy cooking applications
Agar-agar has the advantage of being calorie-free. It is also 80% fibers and can therefore affect regularity of the bowel.
In jams, agar-agar holds better than pectin and because of a very
good release of flavor in the mouth, it amplifies the taste of fruit and
thus reduces the amount of sugar needed in a recipe.
Lastly, agar-agar is an ideal vegetable substitute for animal gelatin.
Tips and tricks
The gelling properties of agar-agar are activated only if the
solution is boiled for about two minutes. There is only then to let it
rest in a cool place or at room temperature so that it gels.
Dissolution
A hand blender is recommended to dissolve agar-agar. A whisk can also
be used but in order to prevent lumps from forming, the agar-agar
powder has to be poured slowly and gradually. Another technique is to
first dissolve the agar-agar in a small amount of boiling water, which
will then be poured into the final preparation. It is important to
remember that agar-agar is not soluble in all liquids, but only in
water. For example, agar-agar will not dissolve in oil or pure alcohol.
Water will therefore have to be added to the mixture.
Animal Gelatin Substitute
Of vegetable origin, agar-agar is an ideal substitute for animal
gelatin. As little as 2 g. of agar-agar powder replaces 3 sheets of
gelatin, that is to say 6 g. Unlike gelatin, agar-agar is truly
tasteless and odorless, which may be preferable for certain recipes.
Furthermore, it holds better when removed from a mold and also keeps
better. Finally, the agar-agar foam produced with a food siphon also
holds better than animal gelatin foam, this property allows for lighter
and airier textures.
Adding fondant
Agar-agar gels have a firmer texture and are more brittle than
gelatin, which, unlike agar-agar gels, usually melts at a temperature
approaching that of the inside of the mouth. To reproduce the effect of
fondant in the mouth that gelatin has, tara gum can be added to the
preparation of agar-agar. This will soften the mixture and make it
creamier.
Dosage
When one tries out a recipe of his/her own, one must be able to
determine the right mix of agar-agar and liquid. As the solution of
agar-agar gels only during the cooling period, the mixture can be
brought to a boil, then only a small amount can be cooled at room
temperature. The gelling should usually be done within three minutes or
less. If the result seems too runny, there needs only to add a small
quantity of agar-agar to the preparation; if it seems too stiff, a small
quantity of liquid must be added.
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 21 March 2013 at 13:06
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Balsamic Vinegar Pearls Recipe http://www.molecularrecipes.com/gelification/balsamic-vinegar-pearls/" rel="nofollow - by molecularrecipes.com
The balsamic vinegar pearls are a simple and fantastic way to add a
touch of molecular gastronomy to your dishes. The balsamic vinegar is
transformed into small jelly balls using agar agar and the cold oil
spherification method.
The cold oil spherification method consists of cooling droplets of a
hot agar solution below 35 ˚C (95 ˚F) by releasing them in cold oil
using a syringe or pipette. Agar agar needs to be heated to boil for
jelling and sets at a temperature of about 35-45 ˚C (95-113 ˚F). The
droplets need to cool down and set before they reach the bottom of the
cold oil container to keep a nice spherical shape.
Balsamic Vinegar Pearls Ingredients
100 g (7 oz) Balsamic Vinegar
1.5 g (1.5%) Agar Agar
Oil Bath
1 cup of oil, cold from being in the freezer for at least 30 min
Preparation
Start by placing the oil in a tall glass in the freezer for at least
30 minutes. It is better if you use a tall glass so there is more time
for the balsamic vinegar droplets to get cold and gel before reaching the bottom.
Once the oil has been in the freezer for at least 30 minutes, put the
balsamic vinegar in a saucepan, dissolve the agar agar and bring it to
the boil, stirring constantly with a beater. Take off the heat and skim
to eliminate any impurities.
Wait a few minutes until the temperature drops to 50-55 ˚C (~120-130
˚F). If the liquid is too hot, the droplets may not cool down enough and
therefore not gel completely before reaching the bottom of the glass
resulting in deformed spheres.
Fill a syringe with the hot balsamic agar solution and expel it drop
by drop into the cold oil. The syringe needs to be high enough for the
drops to sink when they get in contact with the oil but not too high or
the drops may break into smaller drops creating “baby” spheres. Wait a
few minutes and then carefully remove them from the oil bath using a
slotted spoon and rinse them in water. You can keep them in a container
in the fridge for later use.
Serving Suggestions
- Serve on salads
- Serve on tomato halves
Recipe adapted from www.molecule-r.com
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Posted By: TasunkaWitko
Date Posted: 21 March 2013 at 13:07
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I'm a "staunch" traditionalist when it comes to most foods, but this kind of thing really intrigues me, and I have an avid interest in reading about it or seeing it in action.
The cold oil speherification is probably the one I am most interested in at the moment; if I were going to suspend my peasant-cooking philosophy and try some molecular gastronomy, I do believe that the "caviar" would be my first project!
Keep the information coming ~ it's good stuff for sure! 
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Posted By: Margi Cintrano
Date Posted: 21 March 2013 at 14:26
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Dan Gone Fishin,
Awesome thread Dan ... Have enjoyed reading your exemplarily written feature.
I was wondering, what are your views on Ferrán Adrià ?
I had the amazing experience to interview him and taste the 35 dish taster´s carte at the former El Bulli on Costa Brava in a picturesque fisherman´s village called Las Rosas.
This is very in tune / parallel with your well researched article.
One of the dishes we shared was Caviar of Persian Melon and it was absolutely heavenly.
Many of his disciples also employ Nitrogen Liquid and many of the well researched items, you have mentioned in your threads above ...
Truly, wonderful experiences. Chef Joan Roca, chosen by London Restaurant Magazine for the 2nd best restaurant in the world; CELLER CAN ROCA, in GIRONA CAPITAL, CATALONIA; also employs many of these spoken of techniques.
HERE IS A FOTO FROM CHEF JOAN ROCA;
YOGURT, WHITE FLOWER PETALS, COTTON CANDY DESSERT ... 
Margi.
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Posted By: HistoricFoodie
Date Posted: 21 March 2013 at 17:15
Dan, I'm a little confused. Not surprising....I took high-school chemistry twice, and barely got through it in college.
With that proviso: In the background notes you say, "...agar-agar is not soluble in all liquids, but only in water..." That being the case, how does it work when mixed with vinegar?
I'm sure I'm missing something.
I'm wondering, too, how this would work with watermelon juice. I can see watermelon caviar as an interesting addition to salads.
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 21 March 2013 at 17:36
TasunkaWitko wrote:
I'm a "staunch" traditionalist when it comes to most foods, but this kind of thing really intrigues me, and I have an avid interest in reading about it or seeing it in action.
The cold oil speherification is probably the one I am most interested in at the moment; if I were going to suspend my peasant-cooking philosophy and try some molecular gastronomy, I do believe that the "caviar" would be my first project!
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Tas, I'm like you. I really enjoy cooking peasant foods. My friend is the one who got me going into the molecular gastronomy stuff. The Caviar is a great place to start. I think you can bring little bits of molecular side into humble foods...it gives it just a touch of something different.
Strange stuff, isn't it...
Dan
Margi Cintrano wrote:
Dan Gone Fishin,
Awesome thread Dan ... Have enjoyed reading your exemplarily written feature.
I was wondering, what are your views on Ferrán Adrià ?
I had the amazing experience to interview him and taste the 35 dish
taster´s carte at the former El Bulli on Costa Brava in a picturesque
fisherman´s village called Las Rosas.
This is very in tune / parallel with your well researched article.
One of the dishes we shared was Caviar of Persian Melon and it was absolutely heavenly.
Many of his disciples also employ Nitrogen Liquid and many of the
well researched items, you have mentioned in your threads above ...
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Thanks for your enthusiasm, Margi!
I have certainly heard of Ferrán Adrià, but never had the opportunity
to enjoy his food. My friend was actually in Barcelona the last week El
Bulli was open, for the Mobile World Congress...but he couldn't get
in. He tried to give his name in case anyone canceled, it was worth a
try. He did get to eat at Albert Adrià's place. I think this is what
actually pushed him over the edge into doing molecular gastronomy
himself. He has also gotten the tasting menu at L2O a few times as
well.
It is certainly a different way of interpreting a dish,
conceptually...and then artistically. Ferrán is certainly at the
forefront of this category of cuisine. Grant Achazt (Alinea and Next in
Chicago) featured http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-10-12/features/ct-dining-1013-ferran-adria-20111012_1_el-bulli-great-chefs-staff-meal" rel="nofollow - El Bulli inspired food in his "Next" restaurant for a month...this certainly had to be marvelous. I plan to save up and go to either Next or Alinea in a year or two, should be an awesome experience.
My friend has the Nitrogen dispenser, I don't. He has made a number of
things successfully with it. Soy Lecithin is another nice one. You
use it, and a hand blender to make foams and airs for that nice touch.
Margi, Brook...I didn't write the articles above. If you notice I
credited each of the correct authors beside the title...and included a
link to the authors website.
HistoricFoodie wrote:
Dan, I'm a little confused. Not surprising....I
took high-school chemistry twice, and barely got through it in college.
With
that proviso: In the background notes you say, "...agar-agar is not
soluble in all liquids, but only in water..." That being the case, how
does it work when mixed with vinegar?
I'm sure I'm missing something.
I'm
wondering, too, how this would work with watermelon juice. I can see
watermelon caviar as an interesting addition to salads. |
Hi Brook! Yeah, that is a bit confusing. I didn't write those
articles, but you can follow the link provided with them to go to the
original content website.
"It says agar agar is not soluble in all liquids, but only in water..."
I think what they mean is that agar agar is not soluble in all liquids,
but you may add water, to some of those liquids, to help the agar
dissolve into the solution. Something like that anyways.
Balsamic vinegar certainly does work. The Watermelon "caviar" is a
great idea as well. One thing you'll want to do when using fruit juice
is to reduce it down some...to provide maximum punch in that little
"egg". My buddy has also done fresh herbs as well, like cilantro. So I
imagine cilantro, basil, mint would all work (oh, we have been focusing
on the food side of molecular gastronomy...but it's also used in drinks
as well). Hmmm, grapefruit would be another good one. But, remember,
you'll want to concentrate the flavors down first. One down note, as
far as we have tried...olive oil will not work with any of the normal
molecular tricks...at least it will not form into a ball. It does
combine with the Malto powder (that we discussed above)...and it makes a
very good olive oil powder. I believe you should be ready for that one
in a day or two .
Most of the recipes are written for one packet of agar agar. I usually
halve the amounts used, but you can make a decision on that. Once
you're ready...I'll make a post with instruction for a caviar.
Dan
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Posted By: Hoser
Date Posted: 22 March 2013 at 00:12
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Out-freaking-standing thread Dan!
As if I didn't have enough to do already....now you've got me interested in all these little "flavor bomb" ideas LOL. It won't be soon, but rest assured I'll be playing with this in the future. 
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Posted By: MarkR
Date Posted: 23 March 2013 at 04:21
So Dan, how do you think these little "flavor bombs" would hold up in sausage? Obviously through grinding, but added before stuffing. Like a Summed Sausage with Balsamic bombs in it? Would they withstand the smoking or cooking, or even dry curing? Just thinking out of the sand box again!
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 23 March 2013 at 06:39
Hoser wrote:
Out-freaking-standing thread Dan!
As if I didn't have enough to do already....now you've got me interested in all these little "flavor bomb" ideas LOL. It won't be soon, but rest assured I'll be playing with this in the future.  |
Hoser, it is so cool to hear there is interest in Molecular Gastronomy. I really do think it's something that can be introduced into any type of cooking, it doesn't have to be the spotlight...only a highlight to the main ingredient. But again, if you want to make it the spotlight...by all means ---> do it!
MarkR wrote:
So Dan, how do you think these little "flavor bombs" would hold up in sausage? Obviously through grinding, but added before stuffing. Like a Summed Sausage with Balsamic bombs in it? Would they withstand the smoking or cooking, or even dry curing? Just thinking out of the sand box again! |
Hey Mark!
Like I had said, I have just got into this myself. I like the way you're thinking...as I don't believe there are any rules. Sure, there are methods that will not work in all applications...but I think we're supposed to push those boundaries and find a way to make things work.
I don't "think" that they would hold up in sausage well. I'm thinking that they would turn to liquid during the heating process of the sausage...but I do certainly like the idea. I wonder if you slice the sausage into disks, like for an appetizer. Then put some balsamic bombs on top...maybe beside a lesser amount of Thyme bombs...or whatever. While they do last a while, they will break down, so I don't think they would hold up in the sausage that well for smoking or curing. (but now, I just thought of this. Don't forget that you can take some of these smoked meat flavors and turn them into a powder (with the Maltodextrine.) So while you may not be able to put the flavor bombs inside the sausage...you can still find an interesting way to incorporate the flavors)
They may hold up to a cold smoke really well, I'm not sure. That's a really fantastic idea!!!
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Posted By: africanmeat
Date Posted: 23 March 2013 at 09:41
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This is really amazing last week I ordered the cuisine revolution kit from MOLE COLE from Canada, i play with Molecular Gastronomy for a while and it is fun. this was my first attempt http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/117249/hot-chili-caviar it is really fun now i am a waiting for my box of magic . 
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Posted By: africanmeat
Date Posted: 23 March 2013 at 09:43
africanmeat wrote:
This is really amazing last week I ordered the cuisine revolution kit from MOLE COLEfrom Canada, i play with Molecular Gastronomy for a while and it is fun. this was my first attempt http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/117249/hot-chili-caviar it is really fun now i am a waiting for my box of magic .  You will have alto of fun . |
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 23 March 2013 at 10:56
Cool Ahron!
I was going to post some instruction for some FOTW Flavor Bombs Next Week, can't wait to hear your contributions!
Dan
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 27 March 2013 at 14:29
Balsamic Vinegar "Bombs"
Supplies
- 1 sachet (2g) Agar-Agar
- Vegetable Oil (or other)
- 3/4cup Balsamic Vinegar
Directions
- place a tall glass of oil in freezer
- Combine Agar-Agar and Balsamic Vinegar in a pot and bring up to boil then quickly remove
- Pour the vinegar/agar-agar solution into a bowl, let cool just a bit. Then fill a pipette with the solution.
- Remove the oil from the freezer and slowly "drip" the vinegar liquid from the pipette into the cold oil.
- Use a sieve and remove the vinegar pearls from the oil and rinse them in water.
- Serve on desired dish.




Tips: - To speed up gelification process, oil must be very cold
- To obtain uniform round shaped pearls, the gelification needs to be completed before the pearl hits the bottom of the glass (otherwise the pearls may be a bit oblong). A tall glass is recommended so the pearls have more time to cool on the way to the bottom.
- Sometimes the first few drops will sit on top of the oil, the pearls will eventually drop as more hot pearls are added.
- You can keep the pearls in a little bit of water or in some apple juice to keep them in the refrigerator longer (will last for several days)
- Agar-agar doesn't effect the flavor of the liquid you use, but remember that sometimes heat can alter the flavor o the liquid/juice that you're using. Agar-agar need to be brought to a temperature of 185f to activate. When you reach a boil, quickly remove from heat and let cool.
What shapes can I make: - Pearls:using a syringe or pipette
- Gellification Spaghetti: Attach a silicon tune to the end of your syringe. Draw the solution into the tube, completely submerge the tube into ice water for at least two minutes. Gradually apply pressure to the syringe to push air into the tubing, extracting the spaghetti gel.
- You can also make gel sheets as well, use a simple form or perhaps some cookie cutter shapes.
What can I use for a liquid? - Nearly anything! If you have the idea...it is worth a try.
- Fruits can be blended and made into a reduction for awesome (apple, grapefruit, raspberry, etc) pearls. but don't discount vegetables (etc) either...how about some arugula concentrate pearls.
- Herbs can be processed with water and prepared the same way as the fruit (cilantro, basil, mint bombs, etc)
- 100% Oil and Alcohol will not work with this process, but you may dilute it with water and find a solution that may work with this process
Dan
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Posted By: Margi Cintrano
Date Posted: 27 March 2013 at 14:47
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Dan.
Vanguard ... pheonomenal.
Thanks for posting.
Margaux.
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Posted By: africanmeat
Date Posted: 28 March 2013 at 06:47
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Dan this looks great. it will surprise your Guests if you sprinkle it on a salad . or one Pearl on a smoked salmon and creme cheese . Thanks.
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 28 March 2013 at 07:23
Thanks for the compliments. It was actually more difficult than I thought to slowly push the plunger, of the syringe, with one hand...while taking a picture with my other hand. It's much easier using two hands to control the rate.
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Posted By: gracoman
Date Posted: 18 March 2015 at 20:59
I have been dipping my toe into the fine art of molecular gastronomy and find it fascinating. To me, the entire concept is about surprise and delight. Dishes that are not visibly recognizable are instantly understood the moment they hit the palate. Conversely, dishes that are immediately recognizable change dramatically as soon as they are tasted.
Hot ice cream that melts when it cools, carbonated fruit, deconstructed classic dishes that amuse and levitate.
Don't think for a minute these dishes are somehow falsified or lacking in any way. They are delicious and made from the finest, freshest ingredients. But they are presented with flair, playfulness and a healthy dose of magic.
Reverse seared chuck eye steaks. http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/gracoman/media/Steaks%20on%20the%20Primo_zpsvign7oog.jpg.html">
Served with veggies, a sauted mushroom cap, blue cheese foam and port wine fluid gel. http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/gracoman/media/Blue%20cheese%20foam%20and%20port%20wine%20fluid%20gel%20_zpswzvtzblq.jpg.html">
The blue cheese foam has a large advantage over a sauce. Cheese sauces are notoriously heavy while the foam is light, airy, and packed with blue cheese flavor. The port wine fluid gel has the properties of a liquid and a gel. It is also almost 100% port wine. A very fine port wine. A complete about face from the cheese foam. I've only begun to experiment in this area. It is fun and exciting.
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 19 March 2015 at 11:18
gracoman wrote:
Don't think for a minute these dishes are somehow falsified or lacking in any way. They are delicious and made from the finest, freshest ingredients. But they are presented with flair, playfulness and a healthy dose of magic.
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Wow, thanks for sharing your adventures in gastronomy, graco! I agree with your statement that these dishes aren't lacking in flavor.
Do you have any other input, or instruction on some of the methods that you have used? Love to see them!
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Posted By: gracoman
Date Posted: 19 March 2015 at 12:22
The blue cheese foam and port wine fluid gel were my first experiments because they are easy. The foam was just blue cheese mixed into hot cream and sieved into a whipper. The fluid gel was just port wine heated with agar agar, left to set, cut into small cubes, blasted with an immersion blender and passed through a fine mesh sieve. I added more wine before serving to make it more fluid than gel.
I took the free edX Harvard cooking course that was posted here which is what got me interested in molecular gastronomy. I just never did anything with it until now. I plan on playing around with this stuff quite a bit and would be happy to post my results. Good or bad 
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Posted By: gracoman
Date Posted: 26 March 2015 at 20:18
Here's a neat little excursion into the art of molecular gastronomy that uses products that are available in any grocery store.
Glass Potato Chips Seasoned With Smoked Maldon Salt http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/gracoman/media/Glass%20Potato%20Chip_zpsum5ljzbz.jpeg.html">
Served with onion soup foam http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/gracoman/media/Served%20with%20spiced%20onion%20foam%20dip_zpsmjlpt9el.jpg.html">
These are beyond awesome. Everybody served was laughing and could speak of nothing else. How cool is that.
The original recipe as posted in The Vancouver Sun
Hamid Salimian, Diva at the Met chef, serves the ‘glass’ potato chip as part of an amuse bouche. He puts a dab of creme fraiche on a plate or stone, tops it with chopped chives and finishes with a heap of rasped truffles and the glass potato.
Baked Potato Stock
8 Yukon gold potatoes
½ cup of olive oil
1 tablespoon kosher salt
1 liter of hot water (95 C, not boiling)
Wash the potatoes under cold water and dry with paper towel. Cut into the skin of each potato 1 cm. Toss the potatoes with ½ cup of olive and season with the salt.
Bake for 25 minutes at 450 F.
Remove from oven and place the baked potatoes in a bowl with 1 litre of hot water (95 C, slightly cooler than boiling temperature), cover it and let it sit at room temperature for 2 hours.
Strain the mixture with a fine strainer, reserving the baked potato stock. Chill stock in preparation for next step.
Baked Potato Gel
4 tablespoons potato starch
2 cups of baked potato stock
Put chilled baked potato stock into a pot and whisk in the potato starch. Continue whisking the starch and stock together and bring it to boil, forming a gel. Remove from heat.
Drying: Spread the potato gel on a sheet of parchment paper. The gel should be about 3 mm thick.
Dry in the oven at 135 F for 2 hours until fully dry.
Frying: Break the dried sheet into irregular pieces about the size of playing card. Fry these potato chips at 350 F until clear and crisp. Remove and place on paper towel, then season with kosher salt.
I used a combination of the original recipe and http://www.instructables.com/id/Glass-Potato-Chips/?this%20one - this one .
I dried these chips in my dehydrator set at 135°F overnight. 2 hours was a joke.
Do not fry the chips in oil over 350°F or they will turn opaque.
Some may find it difficult to find potato starch so I tried corn starch as a thickener.
A corn starch thickened glass potato chip http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/gracoman/media/Corn%20starch%20glass%20potato%20chip_zpse7mese8x.jpg.html">
Served with the same onion soup foam http://s1293.photobucket.com/user/gracoman/media/Corn%20starch%20glass%20potato%20chips_zpskyi8jlo1.jpg.html">
The corn starch chips had less potato flavor and a bit of a popcorny thing going on which nobody noticed until I mentioned it. These chips make people smile
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 27 March 2015 at 05:59
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that is very odd indeed! I'll have to try it this summer!
thanks for sharing!
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Posted By: gracoman
Date Posted: 01 September 2015 at 13:04
I did a take on Heston Bleumanthal's famous egg and bacon ice cream served at his restaurant The Fat Duck.
Caramelized
brioche, candied bacon, and bacon and egg ice cream, sided with
strawberry caviar, coffee with cream jelly, and extra dry champagne.
This is a very rich dessert disguised as a breakfast of scrambled eggs,
toast, and bacon. It takes 24 egg yolks and 1/2 pound of bacon to make 1
qt of this ice cream. It looks like scrambled eggs, smells and tastes
just like bacon and eggs but it is sweet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6CLoRuvGcY - "It takes all expectations and turns them completely on their heads".
This is very true. It is also one of the most memorable dishes of any sort that I have had the pleasure of sitting down to.
The
most important thing I took away from making this dish is the method of
freezing ice cream which is far superior to any home ice cream freezer
available. http://www.molecularrecipes.com/ice-cream-class/perfect-ice-cream-dry-ice/ - I used powdered dry ice to freeze the ice cream.
It freezes so quickly ice crystals do not have a chance to form. The
result is the smoothest, creamiest ice cream I have ever produced. I
may never use my two different ice cream freezers again.
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 01 September 2015 at 15:46
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Really interesting...looks and sounds delicious! Wonderful photo too!
What do you have in the bottom left and right corners to go with the bacon and eggs?
Stunning...I've got to give this a try
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Posted By: gracoman
Date Posted: 01 September 2015 at 16:32
At the bottom left is the strawberry caviar. I wanted to add some freshness in a more dramatic way than sliced fruit. This one was a mistake. Not because the strawberry caviar was bad, it was lost to all of the strong flavors in the rest of the dish.
At the bottom right is coffee with cream jelly. The original English recipe is served with tea jelly but we are on the coffee side of the pond. The cream layer is made with half and half mixed with coconut cream. The coffee layer is strong instant coffee. Both are sweetened then thickened with agar agar. The different layers are kept simmering while one is poured, left to set, and so on. The entire thing sets in the fridge in 4 hours.
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Posted By: Margi Cintrano
Date Posted: 01 September 2015 at 16:54
Gentlemen.
Very fascinating posts indeed.
I had eaten in El Bulli and at Heston´s Restaurant in Bray in 2010.
Absolutely, impeccably spectacular experiences. I am a profesional restaurant reporter based now in Southern France and have recently translated a French author photographer´s book PDF in English.
Paco Roncero is also quite a fascinating culinary artist involved with molecular cuisine.
During 2010, Heston had done a Candyland dessert that was absolutely amazingly memorable as Chef Achatz and several others.
Just fascinating - each & every post !!
Thank you all ..
Have a wonderful September ..
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 09 September 2015 at 14:50
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I've been meaning to try this one. I have all the stuff...I just have to follow through with putting it together. The recipe is from oilab.info
Olive Oil Gummies
Ingredients150g Extra virgin olive oil 7g Xanthan 7g Garrofin 320g glucose 160g sugar 35g water Directions- Combine the olive oil, xanthan and garrofin. blend togther with a hand blender.
- Combine the olive oil mixture with the rest of the ingredients in a pot. Bring to a bloil, blending with a hans blender to create a homogenious mixture.
- Working quickly, add this mixture to a pastry bag. Pipe the mixture into cornstarch molds, pinching the bottom of the pastry bag to release each large drop of the gummy mixture. Try to make as little contact as possible between your hands and the mixture as it is very sticky. Wear a double layer of gloves if possible as the mixture is very hot.
- Cover the moulded drops with more cornstarch. Allow to sit overnight at room temperature. Remove gummies and brush off ecess cornstarch.
- Gummie can last up to five days at room temperature, and two weeks in the refrigerator.
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Posted By: gonefishin
Date Posted: 17 December 2015 at 15:05
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I finally got around to making the Olive Oil Gummies. I used some really nice Spanish Olive Oil. These gummies conveyed a real nice flavor that was true to the Picual Olive Oil.
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Posted By: gracoman
Date Posted: 03 April 2018 at 12:21
I ran across this site some time ago. Apparently, making a food or foods with the appearance of another goes back at least as far as the Middle Ages. They were called illusion foods.
"Illusion Foods filled the
niche between everyday food & extravagant
creations, and, quite importantly, usually with a touch of humor. In
the
Middle Ages they provided both needed sustenance & entertainment,
which,
just like today, is always a very good thing indeed."
Serving a dish with the appearance of rotted meat isn't quite how we handle this today but it was a "thing" when real rotted meat was also a thing among other things 
http://godecookery.com/illusion/illusion.html#001 - Illusion Foods
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Posted By: Margi Cintrano
Date Posted: 04 April 2018 at 03:43
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The El Bulli Foundation ( Fundación El Bulli, now located in Barcelona ) has many kits available for sale ..
Amazing concoctions ..
You are quite an adventurer and conqueror !
All my best wishes ..
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