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    Posted: 15 March 2013 at 08:37
   Hello All!

  I know that we've got some pretty good sausage makers here, as well as some very good cooks with discerning palates.  While I normally cook, bake, cure & Smoke...my brother usually makes the sausage.  I have got no complaints at all because 1) I certainly don't need another thing to do and 2)He's really become quite good at it. 

   He has really nailed down his Italian sausage as well as a couple of others.  I normally stay out of the sausage making, as he's doing fine, only giving my opinion on taste...and things to try.  Some things that have brought about some nice subtle different and complexity are keeping some spices whole, while crushing a percentage with a mortar and pestle...this does give a nice variance to the flavors that you get in the sausage.  Another one, on the subject of spices, is to take a small percentage of the overall spices used and lightly toast them.  Again, this leads to just small variance in flavor complexity without adding to the number of ingredients.  I think my brother gets a kick out of the next one, he says that it is my answer to everything.  For that little bit of liquid that you need to add, use a shellfish, fish, or crawfish stock.  I put anchovy paste in so many things that are red it isn't funny.  Not much, just a bit.  Then, in everything else I'll commonly use a shellfish or fish stock...it often adds that element that brings all the flavors together in dishes, and it works beautifully in sausage.  I know that he has learned many things during his time making sausage, but he tells me and I think I only half listen or half understand...as I am not a sausage maker.

    Saying all that...we are both inexperienced in the totality of sausage making.  Take this latest venture for instance, making andouille.  We're trying to go for something on the lines of Jacobs, Wayne Jacobs, or in that style.  It's just a very simple sausage seasoned with garlic, salt, cayenne...then smoked.  While he has made the smaller ground andouille, heavier spiced and in small casing...this andouille is quite a different animal.

   This first batch we just cut it into cubes and stuffed it in beef middle collagen casings.  I know that my brother complained about the collagen casings.  He normally uses regular natural casing for his smaller sausages, but we are unsure about what size to get for the large andouille.  We're going to see how this first batch turns out, as we just cubed it and stuffed it (rather than grind).  For stuffing these large casings, we're going to have to get some larger funnels to do the job as well. 

   This first batch are air drying and I'll probably smoke them tomorrow.  All in all, they're looking fine so far...but this is just round one into making a larger sausage.  Smoking wood preference would be pecan wood, but I don't have any.  I'm going to go with white oak for the smoke. 

   If anyone has any advice on the sausage or the parts...I'd love to hear your opinions.  Oh, there's some venison sticks in the pic below as well.  Thanks for listening!

  



    



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I've never made andouille, so I don't have much advice - but good grief, that sure looks good! Clap
 
I can just imagine how that would enhance so many cajun and creole dishes - and I'm willing to bet that it will be pretty darn good on its own, too!
 
I enjoyed reading your tips and tweaks for flavouring sausage, Dan - often, it only take a very subtle thing to kick a good product up into the territory of "outstanding...."
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Not just cajun and creole dishes, Ron. Andouille goes well with a whole slew of dishes. You may remember, for instance, that I used it in the barley & sausage soup.
 
You can easily sub it in any recipe calling for Italian sausage as well.
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Dan,
 
These sausages look awesome !
 
Thanks for sharing,
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Originally posted by HistoricFoodie HistoricFoodie wrote:

Not just cajun and creole dishes, Ron. Andouille goes well with a whole slew of dishes. You may remember, for instance, that I used it in the barley & sausage soup.
 
You can easily sub it in any recipe calling for Italian sausage as well.


    Absolutely Brook!   and I did notice that in your soup recipe...yum!


   Thanks for the kind words Tas and Margi! 
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First things first Dan....just wanted to make sure you used some cure #1 in your sausage mix if you're going to smoke it....for safety's sake it's just too dangerous to do it without.

That's like the "prime directive" of sausage making..Any sausage that will be smoked must be cured.

On casing size...I normally use a 38-42 mm casing when I make kielbasa, so you may want to use that if you want a large sausage. 

If you have a chance, stop by my "sausage making for beginners" thread in the charcuterie forum and you'll find most of the basics outlined there.

Also feel free to PM any time if you have questions.
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The Sausages look great .Hoser is right but i am sure you and your brother  know  that .
i love slicing few slices from the andouille sausage fry it with onion and pour the eggs over it .
man that's  a great way to start a day .
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   Thanks for the kinds words Ahron and Hoser!


     I didn't list prague powder in the list of ingredients, but I was just hitting on the list of seasonings used.  Hoser, this type of andouille is larger than a smoked polish type sausage, it's about the size of a small summer sausage.  I did read your sausage making for beginners, helpful advice...but it's a locked thread, which is why I asked about the natural casing size here.  Thanks!

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 All finished!

    First off, the venison sticks turned out really nice.  My brother mixed up half of them with a spice blend that he used in some HotLinks of his.  There was very minimal pork used in this mixture and it worked out quite well.  So half of them were just a salt and smoke mixture.  These were really good, they showcased the venison and smoke nicely.  I could actually see making these featuring White Oak, Hickory and a Cherry Blend.  The more I cook, the less ingredients I want to use...just find the proper methods.

    For the Andouille sausage we used about a 1" chunk rather than a grind.  We are planning on getting a 10mm grinding plate for the next batch of andouille.  Going with a large grind will fix a few problems we ran into with stuffing the sausage and the casings.  None of the problems were huge, and taste was very good beside...but the grind would fix a few things that need to be fixed. 

    The flavors were actually really good.  Maybe we could have gone with a little more cayenne, but it wasn't needed.  We had prepared this sausage for smoking within a four hour time period.  We had discussed before hand preparing it for a longer and lower method of smoking, but after tasting the product I wouldn't change anything with the methods.  It turned out a wonderful balance of pork flavor and Smoke and just a little bit of spice.  Flavor wise, this was pretty much right where I was hoping to be...in the style of Jacob's, Wayne Jacobs, Cochon type "Craft" Andouille.  By "craft" Andouille I mean something that is done as a traditional Southern Andouille Sausage rather than a Northern finer grind heavily spiced andouille that is often served on a sausage or hotdog bun.  Don't get me wrong, I love a heavily spiced finer ground andouille on a bun...but this is a little different animal.

   We've got a few things to fix for sure...but I think this was pretty successful.

    Now we just need to get some crawfish!  *coming soon* Crawfish and Andouille boil!

   Some more pictures were added to the original post...

   Take care all,
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 on getting a 100mm grinding plate
 
Dan, do you have a source for plates? I've been trying to find a larger one, to no avail.
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Originally posted by HistoricFoodie HistoricFoodie wrote:

 on getting a 100mm grinding plate
 
Dan, do you have a source for plates? I've been trying to find a larger one, to no avail.



   Hi Brook!  As you can probably guess, I'm not looking to get a 100mm grinding plate...a 10mm will do just fine.

    Have a look at Weston Supply site.
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Originally posted by gonefishin gonefishin wrote:


Originally posted by HistoricFoodie HistoricFoodie wrote:

 on getting a 100mm grinding plate
Dan, do you have a source for plates? I've been trying to find a larger one, to no avail.


   Hi Brook!  As you can probably guess, I'm not looking to get a 100mm grinding plate...a 10mm will do just fine.

    Have a look at Weston Supply site.

Brook, I recommend you call them. They have a lot more stuff that is not on the website. They are great to work with!
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So, guys, is there a way to determine the grinder # size I need?
 
I have a Tasin grinder, that I got years ago from either Cabellas or Bass Pro Shops. I forget which.. Other than the company number, it's not identified by any standard coding I can find. Even the plates are merely called fine, medium, and coarse.
 
I notice that the Weston machines designed for home use seem to be #8. But I don't think I can count on that.
 
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Brook - if you're talking about a manual grinder, it's hard to do better than a Porkert; they should be available for peanuts via Ebay and the usual websites. It's very hard to beat that Old World, Eastern European craftsmanship. The Weston manual grinder is a modern version of the Porkerts, using the same molds; however, my understanding after doing quite a bit of reading is that they are not of the same quality, with the finish coming off, parts not fitting as well etc. I could be wrong about this, but that's my understanding - especially with the newer ones from China.
 
If yo're tlaking about electric-driven grinders for a Kitchen-Aid etc., I am clueless! Ermm
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Ron, I think you misunderstood my need.
 
I'm not looking for a new grinder---the Tasin has done me fine for more than 15 years. What I'm looking for is a plate with larger holes.
 
But plates seem to be sized to what appear to be standard machine sizes. So it's not enough to say I need a 10 mm plate. I have to specify 10 mm for a #X plate.
 
Or am I misinterpreting the whole system?
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whoops - I gotcha now ~
 
It is possible that the Tasin has some sort of proprietary design for their plates, but I would hope not; chances are that there is something out there for you, either 10mm or the "standard measurement" equivalent.
 
This might be a good palce to start:
 
 
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Okay. Just did what I should have done in the first place and remember that google is my friend.
 
The One Stop Jerky Shop sells my machine. What's more, they list, in the desciption, details that never came with it when I bought it.
 
Turns out it's a #12 machine, and it takes #10/12 plates.
 
What my paperwork indicated as fine, medium, and coarse blades actually are:
 
1/8 inch (3 mm)
5/32 inch (4 mm)
3/8 inch (10 mm)
 
The 10 mm I have, however, doesn't have round holes. Instead they are sort of elongated teardrops. This produces a rather unique, chunky kind of grind. I imagine it would be exactly what Dan needs for the anduille; more or less solid pieces.
 
So, now that I know what I need, I can go back to the Weston site and order it.
 
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Ron, our posts must have crossed.
 
Sausage Maker was the first place I ever checked. They do not, for some reason, list replacement plates in their catalogs.
 
I never understood why, considering how many used machines are available that only have the installed plate and no other accessories. But I don't make their marketing decisions.
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I was able to get two plates from there recently, but that was for a Porkert; might be different for yours. Here's a direct link to what they have available:

Quote We have carbon steel grinder plates, stainless steel meat grinder plates, plates with hubs for ease-of-use, spacers for sausage stuffing, hamburger patty attachment and stuffing tubes for every possible recipe. If you need a part that is not listed, give us a call and we will try our best to help find it for you.
 
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