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    Posted: 25 April 2012 at 20:00

Other than “closure,” the most over-used word in the English language has to be “iconic.” Seems as though that word is constantly being confused with other concepts, such as “popular,” and “recognizable.” I try not to use it.

The fact is, however, that some things are iconic. They are the standards of their class; the one others are measured against. The Reuben certainly is one of them. There’s just something about combining those bold flavors that satisfies most of us---to the point that the name has been applied to other dishes and sandwiches in order to shirttail on that appeal.

I got to be thinking about this after a phone call this morning from a friend who’s having a party, and wanted details about the Reuben Exploration I often serve. This is a small plate presentation that offers three, four, or five variations on the Reuben theme. How many depends on what else is being served at the time.

The classic Reuben is about as perfect a sandwich as you can build. Start with two pieces of rye bread. On each lay a slice of Swiss cheese. Top the cheese with thinly sliced corned beef. Then pile some sauerkraut on one piece, top it with a dollop of thousand island dressing, and press the two halves together. Lightly butter both pieces of bread, and grill the sandwich until the bread browns and the cheese melts.

As with the hamburger (another iconic sandwich), origins of the Reuben are clouded in mystery, with many claimants to having been first.

The most popular account is that Reuben Kulakofsky, a grocer from Omaha, invented the sandwich to be served to his cronies at their weekly poker game held in the Blackstone Hotel. One of the players was the hotel owner, Charles Schimmel, and the sandwich gained fame---at least locally---when he put it on the Blackstone’s luncheon menu.

All this took place in the 1920-1935 period. Ironically, another great sandwich---Kentucky Hot Browns---first saw the light of day in the same period.

Much later, in the early 1950s, one of Schimmel’s employees would win a national contest with the Reuben, which really served to spread its fame.

Perhaps a better claim belongs to Arnold Reuben, owner of the once famous Reuben’s Delicatessen, in New York. He’s said to have created the “Reuben Special” around 1914. All the earliest print references seem to point to his sandwich, rather than Kulakofsky’s, including the very earliest, from a 1926 magazine article, that refers specifically to the Reuben Special. This seems to support Mr Reuben’s claim.

Doesn’t matter who invented it. The Reuben’s popularity just keeps growing. Not only in its original, classic form, but in many variations as well. And that’s where the problems creep in.

If you take the ingredients used in a Reuben, and use them in a different form, then the name “Reuben” can still apply---so long as you qualify it. For instance, my Reuben Exploration might include, in addition to a mini-version of the classic, Creamy Reuben Soup, Reuben Party Puffs, Reuben Croquettes, Reuben Dip, Reuben Beggar’s Purses, Reuben Fritters, or, even, Reuben Egg Rolls. In each case, there are no false expectations. If I say “Creamy Reuben Soup,” I’ll bet good money you immediately form a mental picture that is pretty close to what I’ll serve.

When a version goes far afield, however, and takes us away from the flavor profile of the original, I don’t think it right to use the name, even in a sandwich.

To be sure, there are variations that recognize this problem, such as the Rachael (aka Georgia Reuben), a sister sandwich that uses pastrami instead of corned beef, and substitutes cole slaw for the sauerkraut. And there’s the Red Baron, which starts with dark rye or, preferably,  pumpernickel and fills it with spiced red cabbage instead of kraut.

Arby’s is pushing its Super Reuben, which takes the classic and adds sliced turkey to it. To me, that starts to push the envelope. And what do we do with the Grouper Reuben, a Florida favorite that replaces the corned beef with a filet of grouper? Or the California variant, a Grilled Tuna Reuben, which consists of a grilled tuna steak and coleslaw or shredded cabbage for the filling? Really moving above and beyond was the Mahi Mahi Reuben I was served in the Outer Banks. This consisted of a batter-fried chunk of fish, pastrami, cole slaw, and cheese on a hoagie bun, and included mustard and mayo. I mean, really?  

How far do we push the envelope before we’ve created a new taste? I can accept---even though I don’t like the idea---of using Russian dressing instead of Thousand Island. But is a Blue Reuben, which uses blue cheese dressing, really a Reuben? Can we truly have a Vegetarian Reuben (that one, by the by, uses tempeh instead of meat)? If the filling ingredients are held steady, but we put them inside a pretzel bun, is it still a Reuben?

Don’t get me wrong. Each of those creations may be very tasty in its own right. Indeed, a pretzel bun version is high on my list to try. I just feel that, like the Rachael and Red Baron, that they should bear their own name.

I will, over the next few days, post recipes for some of the variations that go into my  Reuben Exploration. But I thought it would be nice to discuss the nature of this great sandwich first, and gather opinions as to how far we can stretch before we’ve left the actual Reuben far behind.

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Reuben sucks!Stern Smile

I hate that damn sandwich just because it's so damn perfect, but so damn difficult to get just so damn right. 

I have no idea why I need to use the word "damn" , but it just seems to fit.

A "Reuben" is just one of those foods that is just right where it is. Anywhere else is just not the same.
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The Reuben is indeed a classic that most of us know well and love. 
I must profess to complete ignorance of the Kentucky Brown until I googled it a short time ago...certainly comfort food at it's best once again.

We certainly can go outside the box from time to time and I'm as guilty of it as anyone else.

Here's what I did to the name Reuben for a contest a while back.
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I love it, Dave.
 
The flavor of portobellos fits perfectly with the other bold flavors, while maintaining the original profile. Will probably add it to my Reuben Exploration line-up, if you don't mind.
 
This is a case where maintaining the name is definately appropriate. Although I would have choosen corned beef over the pastrami, myself.
 
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but so damn difficult to get just so damn right. 
 
There are two secrets to a perfect Reuben, Darko.
 
First, drain the sauerkraut so it isn't dripping all over. I actually squeeze it in a towel to dry it enough.
 
Second, Reuben's require a high-quality thousand island dressing. Most bottled versions just don't cut it, so we make our own:
 
Thousand Island Dressing
 
2 cups mayonnaise
2 tbls tomato paste
2 tbls Worcestershire
2 garlic cloves, minced
1/4 cup onion, finely diced
1/4+ cup sweet pickle relish
1 hard cooked egg, mashed
Black pepper to taste
 
Combina all ingredients thoroughly. Let stand in fridge at least an hour for flavors to meld.
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Nice!  Thanks for that recipe.
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So, here's the first of my non-sandwich Reuben variations.
 
Betty Groff was the dean of Lancaster (PA) country cooking. Her recipe adaptions represent ten generations of country folk in the region, including the various Germanic settlers as well as other ethnicities. Manyof them were on the menus of her restaurants: Groff's Farm Restaurant and Cameron Estate Inn, and appeared in the several books she authored. 
 
We were served the following when we interviewed her for a story in the early 1990s, and had to have the recipe, which she graciously shared:
 
Reuben Croquettes 
 
1 lb sauerkraut
1 small onion
12 ounce can of corned beef
4 eggs
2 cups cooked rice
1 cup shredded Swiss cheese
1 tsp salt
1/4 tsp pepper
3 tbls water
2 cups fine, dry bread crumbs or corn flake crumbs
Oil for frying
Mustard Sauce (see below)
 
Drain the sauerkraut and press out as much juice as possible. Chop the sauerkraut, onion, and corned beef very fine. This can be done in a blender or food processor. Add two eggs, the rice, cheese, salt and pepper. Mix and shape into approximately 25 croquettes, 1/4 cup each, or 18 larger ones.
 
Combine the other 2 eggs with the water and beat with a fork. Roll each shaped croquette into the crumbs, then the egg, and then the crumbs again. Let them stand for a half hour in the refrigerator so they stick together better.
 
Fry in shallow oil in a skillet for 5 to 7 minutes, turning to brown evenly, or bake on a greased cookie sheet in a preheated 425F oven for 20-30 minutes, depending on the size of the croquettes.
 
Heat mustard sauce slowly. Serve over the croquettes.
 
Mustard Sauce
 
3/4 cup mayonnaise
1/4 cup milk
1 tbls lemon juice
3 tbls prepared mustard
 
Combine all ingredients and heat slowly. Serve over Reuben Croquettes or with ham.
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Originally posted by HistoricFoodie HistoricFoodie wrote:

I love it, Dave.
 
The flavor of portobellos fits perfectly with the other bold flavors, while maintaining the original profile. Will probably add it to my Reuben Exploration line-up, if you don't mind.
 
This is a case where maintaining the name is definately appropriate. Although I would have choosen corned beef over the pastrami, myself.
 
Oh, and fwiw, right here on this page.

I don't mind a bit Brook...and thanks for the info on the Kentucky Brown...Hell, I started drooling just thinking about it.Clap
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Continuing my Reuben Exploration options:
 
Creamy Reuben Soup
 
1 cup sauerkraut, well drained
1/2 cup onion, chopped
1/4 cup celery, chopped
3 tbls butter
1/4 cup flour
3 cups beef stock
1/2 lb corned beef, shredded
3 cups half & half
12 oz pkg Swiss cheese, shredded, divided use
6-8 slices rye, toasted and cut into quarters
 
Saute onion and celery in butter, in large saucepan, until tender.
 
Stir in flour until smooth. Gradually stir in stock and bring to boil. Reduce heat and simmer, uncovered, 5 minutes. Add corned beef, kraut, half & half, and 1 cup cheese. Cook 30 minutes until slightly thickened, stirring frquently.
 
Ladle into 8 oven-proof bowls. Top each with toasted bread and 1/2 cup cheese. Broil until cheese3 melts. Serve immediately.
 
As a tapas or small plate offering adjust bread and extra cheese to fit the size of the cup.
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An e-friend used to have bistro in Michigan, where they served a variation of Reuben Puffs; essentially a rye-flavored gougere with a Reuben-like filling. I took her recipe, modified it somewhat, and came up with:
 
Reuben Party Puffs
 
for the gougere:
 
1 cup wter
1 stick butter
1/2 cup all purpose flour
1/2 cup rye flour
1/2 tsp garlic powder
1/4 tsp salt
4 eggs
1 cup grated swiss
1 tsp ground caraway seeds
Milk
Whole caraway seeds for sprinkling
 
for the filling:
 
1 8-oz pkg cream cheese at room temperature
4 oz cooked corned beef, finely diced
1/2 cup mayonnaise
2 tbls finely chopped onion
1 tsp spicy brown or horseradish mustard
Pinchy garlic powder
1/2 cup well packed kraut, wrung out
 
Preheat oven to 400F.
 
In a saucepan over medium heat bring water and butter to boil. Add both flours, garlic powder,  salt, and ground caraway all at once. Stir until a smooth ball forms. Remove from heat. Let sand 5 minutes. Beat in eggs, one at a time, untl well incorporated. Stir in the Swiss cheese.
 
Drop the batter by rounded tblespoons (I use a disher for this), 2 inches apart, onto a lightly greased baking sheet. Brush with milk. Sprinkle with caraway seeds. Bake 18-20 minutes or until golden. Reove to wire racks to cool.
 
Alternative: Fill a pastry bag with the batter and, useing a large tip, pipe into rounds, traingles, crescents, or other shapes.
 
While gougeres bake, make the filling. Combine all ingredients in a bowl until well blended, making sure cream cheese is evenly incorporated, with no lumps. Hold in fridge until needed.
 
When gourgeres are done, cool on wire racks. Split each, spread some filling on bottom half, and cover with top half.
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I must profess to complete ignorance of the Kentucky Brown.......
 
If you go back to the original thread, Dave, I just added a finger-food version of hot browns, ideal for a Derby Day party---or any other time, for that matter.  
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Reuben Dip
 
8 oz cream cheese @ room temperature
1 cup sour cream
1/2 lb corned beef, shaved
1 cup Swiss cheese, grated
1 cup sauerkraut
1 tbls ketchup
2 tsp brown musard
2 tsp diced onion
Paprika for garnish
 
Preheat oven to 375F. Drain and rinse sauerkraut. Chop Corned beef.
 
Combine all ingredients in a bowl and blend thoroughly. Pour into a lightly greased baking dish. Bake, covered, for 30 minutes. Uncover and bake 5-10 minutes more until browned on top.
 
If you leave out the sour cream, and wring out the kraut, you have a great filling to make Reuben Egg Rolls. Or fill won ton wrappers with that mix, and fry them for a smaller version. But for either of these, I prefer leaving out the ketchup and mustard, and subbing thousand island dressing.
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WOW Brook,
 
Let´s have a REUBEN PARTY ... Enjoyable historical background. Great thread.
 
Thanks for posting.
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    I'd like to ditto Margi's sentiment...Thanks a bunch Brook!  I love corned beef and you've given us some wonderful recipes to try...can't wait!

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I knew this was around here somewhere!!!.

Made Reubens last night for dinner. I had a 4 lb brisket, so I threw it in a roasting pan with beer, water,spice etc. Cooked at 350 for about 4 1/2 hrs then sliced thin. Some pumpernickel, thousand island dressing, swiss cheese!!! Yum Yum Yum! Tasty, but not quite right. I think it needs proper corned beef and not just a braised brisket.
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Really interesting Brook.
I can honestly say that I have never heard of a Reuben until now.
Clearly it never made the trip this far south.

I am partial to a corn-beef sandwich made with Vogels and tomato relish.

Sauerkraut is not commonly used here, but I think I will get some and have a try, and I will have to run with Emmentaler because Swiss Cheese as you guys know it is not easily available here either, but I ate it while I was there so I know what sort of flavour to buy.

Anyone want to share their rye bread recipe with me?
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Emmentaler is an exact match, Anne. Perhaps a little nuttier, but in a good way. 

What, please, is Vogels?
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How rye to you want it, Anne?

Peter Reinhart has a really nice transitional rye in The Bread Bakers Apprentice. I would call it a light rye.

In a similar vein, the recipe Margi posted for her Pain de Campagne makes a nice light rye. Just bake it in the form of a sandwich loaf instead of as a batard or boule. 

Traditional ryes are made following the European sourdough approach. I seem to recall you once saying you're not interested in breads that take multiple days to complete. So, iirc, then those would be out. 
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Originally posted by HistoricFoodie HistoricFoodie wrote:

Traditional ryes are made following the European sourdough approach. I seem to recall you once saying you're not interested in breads that take multiple days to complete.

I hope I didn't give that impression!Shocked

Sourdough is my holy grail - I have tried and failed to catch a wild starter a few times, but I am not deterred - I keep on trying.
Once I have that nailed I will be looking after it better than the boys.

But for now I have to work with what I have - dry yeast in a jar.

I have read some very detailed traditional rye recipes which involve transitioning the sourdough starter onto a diet of rye flour, that seems to me to be the most traditionally delicious, and I would love to learn how to make it well. I can make white bread in my sleep - so yes I am up for the challenge. HBU?
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Vogels....
It is simply the BEST commercially produced bread in the world. 

It is an iconic NZ product. It is up there with Vegemite, Pavlova, Whitebait and Lamb Leg Roast
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