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TasunkaWitko
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Topic: Gombás rétes püré pirospaprikaPosted: 10 September 2014 at 22:36 |
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Gombás rétes püré pirospaprika Mushroom Strudel with Red Bell Pepper Purée Today, I was fortunate enough to read Tomas's outstanding post about his recent mushroom gathering: http://foodsoftheworld.activeboards.net/mushroom-dishes_topic4197.html As I read it, I was reminded of a little treasure that I had lurking in the bottom of my email inbox; back in mid-March of this year, Brook and I had a conversation via email about a splendid and unique dish that I enjoyed on a business trip: Mushroom Strudel with Red Bell Pepper Purée. Over the course of a few exchanges, I am pretty sure that we came up with a plausible procedure that could be used to re-create it. I've often thought that our chats would make a good "running thread" in the "Kitchen Table" section of this forum, but this exchange sees like it would do quite well right here. I decided to place this dish in the Hungarian section of the forum, because I always associate strudels with Hungary; however, the truth is that this dish would probably be at home anywhere in central Europe, and possibly quite a few places in eastern Europe, as well. Here is the conversation that Brook and I had
With that, I hope there is enough information here for someone to give this a try, and perhaps complete a pictorial for the forum. If I get the chance, Ill give it a go, especially with winter coming. As I said above, I believe that the exchange between Brook and myself provides a good foundation for re-creating this dish, but if anyone has any suggestions, I would be grateful to hear them. Does the filling need a binder? Are there any herbs or spices that would adhere to the central-European theme, whilst also complimenting the dish? Please, feel free to contribute your thoughts, comments and suggestions!
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HistoricFoodie
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Posted: 12 September 2014 at 07:47 |
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Something Ron and I didn't specifically discuss is that the mushrooms are cooked before being used as a filling. To prevent sogginess, when they start releasing their liquid, increase the heat and cook until all (or most) of the liquid is gone.
I've also looked at mushroom strudel recipes since Ron and I had our original discussion. Many of them call for puff pastry rather than phylo. To me, strudel---whether sweet or savory---always implies multiple layers of paper-thin pastry. So, while the puff-pastry versions might be very nice, I have a problem with the concept. |
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Posted: 12 September 2014 at 12:47 |
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Certainly, the mushrooms must be cooked. It's virtually impossible otherwise. My guess is that originally, mushrooms strudels would be made with a thin stretched dough. However, frozen strudel or phyllo dough tends to be difficult to get around here, but you can buy puff pastry anywhere. And you know, most people are too lazy to stretch the dough themselves (been there, know what it's like). Therefore it will be common to use puff pastry, with the proper way reserved for the revered sour-cherry-and-poppy-seed or apple-and-walnut classics. What I would add to the filling is some soaked bun and an egg to bind it. Parsley certainly. Dill would be quite realistic, but I'm not sure how it would combine with the red pepper puree in this case. Otherwise, not so many herbs are used here (celery leaves, lovage, chives are common, too, but not in such dishes). Breadcrumbs perhaps if it's too wet. |
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Posted: 12 September 2014 at 20:24 |
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The thing is, Furtwangler, I've learned that you can't assume people understand basic procedures. So it's better to state what might be obvious (i.e., cooking the mushrooms), then assume they'd know to do that.
Ron and I had more discussion than is reflected in this thread. One aspect dealt with strudel dough. I well remember my Mom and her friends making strudel, and how, when they were done, the stretched dough literally covered the kitchen table. That's not the sort of skill you learn by reading a cookbook, of course. It pays if you start as a child, learning at your mother's knee. I don't think it's so much laziness, nowadays (though there's certainly some of that) as lacking the requisite skill set. Look at me: I can't even roll pie dough decently, let alone stretch it. But, then again, I'm a cook, not a baker. Phyllo, which is commonly available in the States, is a fair substitute. And it results in that many-layered, flaky pastry that is typical of strudel. |
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Posted: 13 September 2014 at 14:42 |
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You make good points Brook. Too many times we assume people know what we're talking about, just because, it's the way you do it, and we know what we're doing.
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