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Originally posted by HistoricFoodie HistoricFoodie wrote:

The 10 mm I have, however, doesn't have round holes. Instead they are sort of elongated teardrops. This produces a rather unique, chunky kind of grind. I imagine it would be exactly what Dan needs for the anduille; more or less solid pieces.
 
So, now that I know what I need, I can go back to the Weston site and order it.
 
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   Glad ya figured it out Brook!  Let us know what you end up ordering and where you plan to use it.  That teardrop 10mm plate sounds interesting, I'll have to look into that a little more, thanks!

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Ron: Thanks for that link. Odd: none of that stuff is listed in their paper catalog.
 
Dan: I've never seen anything like it. I notice that Sausage Maker, Jerky Shop, and Weston all offer 10mms with round holes. But not that teardrop.
 
I wonder if it's a Taiwanese thing? Or maybe they just made them for a short while?
 
It's hard to tell from the pix at the Jerky Shop site, but all three of the plates shown seem to have round holes.
 
What size plates does your machine use? I'd be happy to send you this one to play with.
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Well, Brook - I guess the natural question would be:
 
What are you going to do for your returning-to-sausage project?
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Don't push it, Ron. Let's figure out the Mesopotamian bread first. Then I'll think about other major projects.
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I'm thinking that the Mesopotamian barley bread would go great with some sort of beef or lamb sausage...yum yum ~ Tongue
 
Whaddaya think, Dan? Wink
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Ron, I think lamb sausage would be an ideal mating. But let's see, in order to make it I first:
 
1. Have to order the new plate.
2. Order the casings (even hog isn't available locally, let alone lamb).
3. Build a drying/curing cabinet.
4. Maybe pick up a fridge dedicated to charcuterie.
5. Hope I can find lamb at an affordible price.
 
And I'm sure there's a lot more I'm not thinking of.
 
It's been 30 years since I made any sort of sausage. And I suspect it is not like riding a bike.
 
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it's easy - you'll be fine when you get around to it ~
 
for now, to get back into the groove, so to speak, i wouldn't worry too much about steps 3 and 4. both are nice extras, but certainly not necessary, with a little bit of careful management ~ Thumbs Up
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Yeah, but anything worth doing is worth overdoing, donchathink?
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Originally posted by HistoricFoodie HistoricFoodie wrote:

Ron: Thanks for that link. Odd: none of that stuff is listed in their paper catalog.
 
Dan: I've never seen anything like it. I notice that Sausage Maker, Jerky Shop, and Weston all offer 10mms with round holes. But not that teardrop.
 
I wonder if it's a Taiwanese thing? Or maybe they just made them for a short while?
 
It's hard to tell from the pix at the Jerky Shop site, but all three of the plates shown seem to have round holes.
 
What size plates does your machine use? I'd be happy to send you this one to play with.


  Hi Brook,

   Thanks much for the offer, but we don't have the same size plates.  You have the 2 3/4", #12 and we have a 2 1/2" #8 Grinder.   Thanks though...it does sound neat.
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Originally posted by TasunkaWitko TasunkaWitko wrote:

I'm thinking that the Mesopotamian barley bread would go great with some sort of beef or lamb sausage...yum yum ~ Tongue
 
Whaddaya think, Dan? Wink


   a lamb sausage does sound good! 


  Brook, what plates do you have now?  You aren't going to need anything too large for a regular lamb sausage. 
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Dan, I've got a 3 mm (1/8 inch), a 4 mm (5/32 inch) and that strange teardrop.
 
In the past, even the 4 mm was too fine, and the texture of the sausage suffered. I'm thinking I need something in the 1/4 inch or 5/16 range.
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    Okay, we are getting set to make another batch of "craft" andouille, Texas hot links...and a slim jim version of each as well.  Oh, about 30+ lbs of bacon too Tongue


   Does anyone have some good research links for slim jims?  I've got ideas in my head, but would like to gather some thoughts and then proceed.  While my brother and I don't use any nitrates in any of our fresh or smoked sausages...I am going to use it in the slim jims.  The slim jims are a different animal all together. 

  As I just came back from the fridge and got a nice beef stick, I'm looking for something of a longer smoke and drier than regular beef sticks/venison sticks that we've made before.  These are very good...but were looking to do something drier/smokier...closer to a slim jim rather than beef stick.


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Dan I use beef middles (natural) for my thick Andouille, works nicely.
Another source for grinder parts, they have most everything.
http://www.nbsparts.com/meat-grinders/
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Originally posted by MarkR MarkR wrote:

Dan I use beef middles (natural) for my thick Andouille, works nicely.
Another source for grinder parts, they have most everything.
http://www.nbsparts.com/meat-grinders/


   Hi Mark!

  For fresh sausages we use natural hog casing (Italian, brat, texas Hot links, Polish, etc), for the andouille we like the larger casings.  The last time we got natural middles (2 1/3- 2 3/8) they varied much more than the specified variance...they were all over the place!   I have heard that some products vary more than others.  So, the next time we got the thin (edible/strand collagen casings) 2+" collagen casings and they worked fine. 

   If the natural middles are a little over 2 1/3", do you still make them about 18" long?  I know I've had the casing rip while smoking when they're this large, where the strand collagen hold up.  I'd love to hear your experiences (or others...)

  Thanks,
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  Slim Jims

  I've done a bit of looking and I seem to be gravitating toward the type of recipe in this thread here.  It has the slim jim modified smoking temperatures that I was looking for.  I'm not saying this will get me the product that I have in mind...but it seems as if it may.  The Original Slim Jim recipe has many similarities in method as well. 

   Sure would be nice if I had a Bbq Guru on my FatBoy!LOL


   Oh, has anyone used Fermento?  I believe I'm going to order some and give it a try in the slim jim recipe


  
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Dan the beef middles I got from Butcher and Packer were all over the place. I now get them from Sausagemaker and the are pretty consistent. I make mine about 15" in small batches cause that's all the height inside my watt burner. If I'm making larger batches I'll make them 18" and use the bigger smoker. Usually use tangerine or grapefruit wood.
For fresh andouille I use 32-35mm selects (hog) from Butcher and Packer. Strange they are real consistent with hog but not with beef.  ???

I've made peperoni but not snack stick size, have to get on that I love them.
I use an IQue on my big offset and my Weber, I'm real happy with it. It's simple.

I sometimes use Fermento but I prefer Bactofirm F-LC in my summer sausage, much more pronounced "tang". But it might be too much for snack sticks, fermento or powdered buttermilk might be betta. Butter milk gives about the same result but it's a lot less expensive.

If you try it with F-LC you'll have to add another step to allow them time to ferment. 24 hours at 95° and 90% humidity. I adapted my watt burner for this.
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Originally posted by MarkR MarkR wrote:

Dan the beef middles I got from Butcher and Packer were all over the place. I now get them from Sausagemaker and the are pretty consistent. I make mine about 15" in small batches cause that's all the height inside my watt burner. If I'm making larger batches I'll make them 18" and use the bigger smoker. Usually use tangerine or grapefruit wood.
For fresh andouille I use 32-35mm selects (hog) from Butcher and Packer. Strange they are real consistent with hog but not with beef.  ???


  This is the same experience we had.  When using the natural hog casings all is good, then the middles were very inconsistent. 



Quote I've made peperoni but not snack stick size, have to get on that I love them.
I use an IQue on my big offset and my Weber, I'm real happy with it. It's simple.


    I haven't looked int the IQue, only the Bbq guru...I'll check out the IQue too....thanks

Quote I sometimes use Fermento but I prefer Bactofirm F-LC in my summer sausage, much more pronounced "tang". But it might be too much for snack sticks, fermento or powdered buttermilk might be betta. Butter milk gives about the same result but it's a lot less expensive.

If you try it with F-LC you'll have to add another step to allow them time to ferment. 24 hours at 95° and 90% humidity. I adapted my watt burner for this.


   Thanks for the advice on the Fermento and Bactofirm.  I think I'll go with the more subtle flavor on this batch.  I was thinking that I would stay away from the powdered buttermilk, for this slim jim recipe, because of the desired dryness in the final product.  It's my experience, with powdered milk additives in sausages, that they act as a binder and help with moisture retention...something that's not desirable in this recipe  (I'm just thinking out loud here).

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Dan, Fermento is made from cultured skim milk, dried. It will retain moisture also. I think it has a little more tang than the buttermilk.
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Originally posted by MarkR MarkR wrote:

Dan, Fermento is made from cultured skim milk, dried. It will retain moisture also. I think it has a little more tang than the buttermilk.



   So much for that thought.  I think we'll skip this step altogether.  Proceed to get a good recipe down that produces results like we want.  Then, after we get it down, we can choose to tweak the recipe.  First, foremost...I want a dry, smokey stick with good flavor and texture. 

   thanks Mark!
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